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Re: [Mpi-forum] Chapter Committee Sessions
by Rolf Rabenseifner 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

> Rolf: > > The only outstanding issues, as far as I know, for the tools and EI > chpaters are the Fortran changes. I need you to provide a clear list > of what changes are needed for those tickets. ... > Rich I scheduled all Fortran work to next week (June 25-29, 2012) Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Richard Graham" <richardg(a)mellanox.com> > To: "Bronis R. de Supinski" <bronis(a)llnl.gov>, "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 4:39:23 PM > Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Chapter Committee Sessions > Please see inline comments > > -----Original Message----- > From: mpi-forum-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bronis R. > de Supinski > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:03 PM > To: Main MPI Forum List > Subject: [Mpi-forum] Chapter Committee Sessions > > > Rich: > > What is the intent of the chapter committee sessions at the next > meeting? My understanding is that we should review the text as it > currently stands and decide if any ticket 0 changes are needed. > Correct? > [rich] The goal is to have the chapter ready for the final chapter > votes by the end of the meeting. All passed votes should be > integrated, and ticket-0 changes should also be applied, but not to > the approved branch - we will need to come up with a mechanism for > handling the later, as we will need a document that includes all these > changes, but don't want to confuse approved changes and proposed > changes. > > > Please change the "Profiling Interface chapter committee" > session to "Tools chapter committee". When we added the MPIT stuff, we > changed the name of the chapter. Related to that, I have checked in > the changes for that ticket. > I expect that session will have a fair amount to do since the chapter > has changed significantly. I expect we can use the two hour slot > fairly easily. > > On the other hand, I do not think we need a (long) session for the > "External Interfaces chapter committee". I suppose it does not matter > since it is the end of the day Tuesday. > [rich] The extent of changes is really a matter for each committee. At > a minimum, there is time to apply the changes already voted in. > > In any event, we went over the chapter in detail early in the MPI-3.0 > process and it has not changed since. We had some tickets that had a > first vote at the last meeting that might have impacted them but I am > unsure of their status. > Are we supposed to apply any newly approved tickets also (i.e., from > Monday votes)? > > Rolf: > > The only outstanding issues, as far as I know, for the tools and EI > chpaters are the Fortran changes. I need you to provide a clear list > of what changes are needed for those tickets. > [rich] This is true of all ticket owners - PLEASE get the list of > changes to each of the chapter committees, or else approved changes > will not make it into the standard. > > Rich > > Bronis > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum -- Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30)

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Chapter Committee Sessions
by Bronis R. de Supinski 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

Rich: Jeff (and, to some minor extent, I) killed off the old mpi-30-minutiae branch and created a new one that has the current contents of the approved branch. If people would merge their changes to the approved branch into that branch then we can use it for ticket 0 changes. That was my plan for the Tools and EI chapters... Bronis On Thu, 21 Jun 2012, Richard Graham wrote: > Please see inline comments > > -----Original Message----- > From: mpi-forum-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bronis R. de Supinski > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:03 PM > To: Main MPI Forum List > Subject: [Mpi-forum] Chapter Committee Sessions > > > Rich: > > What is the intent of the chapter committee sessions at the next meeting? My understanding is that we should review the text as it currently stands and decide if any ticket 0 changes are needed. Correct? > [rich] The goal is to have the chapter ready for the final chapter votes by the end of the meeting. All passed votes should be integrated, and ticket-0 changes should also be applied, but not to the approved branch - we will need to come up with a mechanism for handling the later, as we will need a document that includes all these changes, but don't want to confuse approved changes and proposed changes. > > > Please change the "Profiling Interface chapter committee" > session to "Tools chapter committee". When we added the MPIT stuff, we changed the name of the chapter. Related to that, I have checked in the changes for that ticket. > I expect that session will have a fair amount to do since the chapter has changed significantly. I expect we can use the two hour slot fairly easily. > > On the other hand, I do not think we need a (long) session for the "External Interfaces chapter committee". I suppose it does not matter since it is the end of the day Tuesday. > [rich] The extent of changes is really a matter for each committee. At a minimum, there is time to apply the changes already voted in. > > In any event, we went over the chapter in detail early in the MPI-3.0 process and it has not changed since. We had some tickets that had a first vote at the last meeting that might have impacted them but I am unsure of their status. > Are we supposed to apply any newly approved tickets also (i.e., from Monday votes)? > > Rolf: > > The only outstanding issues, as far as I know, for the tools and EI chpaters are the Fortran changes. I need you to provide a clear list of what changes are needed for those tickets. > [rich] This is true of all ticket owners - PLEASE get the list of changes to each of the chapter committees, or else approved changes will not make it into the standard. > > Rich > > Bronis > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Chapter Committee Sessions
by Richard Graham 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

Please see inline comments -----Original Message----- From: mpi-forum-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Bronis R. de Supinski Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2012 3:03 PM To: Main MPI Forum List Subject: [Mpi-forum] Chapter Committee Sessions Rich: What is the intent of the chapter committee sessions at the next meeting? My understanding is that we should review the text as it currently stands and decide if any ticket 0 changes are needed. Correct? [rich] The goal is to have the chapter ready for the final chapter votes by the end of the meeting. All passed votes should be integrated, and ticket-0 changes should also be applied, but not to the approved branch - we will need to come up with a mechanism for handling the later, as we will need a document that includes all these changes, but don't want to confuse approved changes and proposed changes. Please change the "Profiling Interface chapter committee" session to "Tools chapter committee". When we added the MPIT stuff, we changed the name of the chapter. Related to that, I have checked in the changes for that ticket. I expect that session will have a fair amount to do since the chapter has changed significantly. I expect we can use the two hour slot fairly easily. On the other hand, I do not think we need a (long) session for the "External Interfaces chapter committee". I suppose it does not matter since it is the end of the day Tuesday. [rich] The extent of changes is really a matter for each committee. At a minimum, there is time to apply the changes already voted in. In any event, we went over the chapter in detail early in the MPI-3.0 process and it has not changed since. We had some tickets that had a first vote at the last meeting that might have impacted them but I am unsure of their status. Are we supposed to apply any newly approved tickets also (i.e., from Monday votes)? Rolf: The only outstanding issues, as far as I know, for the tools and EI chpaters are the Fortran changes. I need you to provide a clear list of what changes are needed for those tickets. [rich] This is true of all ticket owners - PLEASE get the list of changes to each of the chapter committees, or else approved changes will not make it into the standard. Rich Bronis _______________________________________________ mpi-forum mailing list mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum

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Re: [Mpi-forum] [EXTERNAL] July meeting
by Jeff Hammond 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

The schedule has been adjusted (this morning) to go until 7:15 PM every night and it ends at 1 PM on Thursday. You might want to check it now. Jeff On Thu, Jun 21, 2012 at 8:29 AM, Rolf Rabenseifner <rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de> wrote: > Rich, > > When I booked my flights many weeks ago, > of course, I expected that the meeting finishes at noon, > which is 2h30 less than you scheduled. > > Additionally, I had to take a flight that I must leave on 11:00 am. > > I hope we can do all relevant to me before 11:00 am. > > And the other days can be scheduled until 6 pm, which adds in total 1h45. > > If we see that we need more time, we should use on Wednesday the > after-dinner slot. > > Best regards > Rolf > > ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Brian W Barrett" <bwbarre(a)sandia.gov> >> To: "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> >> Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:03:05 PM >> Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] [EXTERNAL] July meeting >> But that's not what we agreed to do. If we need to be more efficient >> with >> our time, then let's figure out how to. But every meeting we have an >> agenda that goes late in the afternoon on the last day, we had a long >> discussion about how we wouldn't do that when we went to four day >> meetings, and now we're going to 2:30 again. Which wouldn't be so bad, >> except that we rarely go anywhere near as late as scheduled on the >> last >> day, but I'm not willing to "guess' on that and miss the final >> logistics / >> MPI next discussions. >> >> The fact that chapter edits 1) are largely serialized and 2) have time >> which in no way reflects the number of changes (for example, I/O needs >> as >> much time as one-sided) suggests that either we've done something >> terribly >> wrong with the process or are bad at guessing time allocations. >> >> Either way, we should rework the schedule to conform to the meeting >> schedule we all agreed to when we decided to do these 4 day >> marathons... >> >> Brian >> >> On 6/19/12 11:34 PM, "Richard Graham" <richardg(a)mellanox.com> wrote: >> >> >We need to give time for all the chapter wg's to finish their work. >> >We >> >can always be flexible, and consider moving around items on the >> >agenda to >> >meet travel needs - and hope we can meet all of them. >> > >> >Rich >> > >> >-----Original Message----- >> >From: mpi-forum-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barrett, >> >Brian W >> >Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 4:44 PM >> >To: Main MPI Forum mailing list >> >Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] [EXTERNAL] July meeting >> > >> >On 6/16/12 9:30 AM, "Richard Graham" <richardg(a)mellanox.com> wrote: >> > >> >>The first cut at the agenda for the July meeting of the Forum is >> >>on-line. >> >> As I mentioned at the last meeting, the goal of this meeting is to >> >> get >> >>the 3.0 standard ready to be released as a draft standard - all but >> >>the >> >>last vote, and perhaps a few ticket-0 minor edits before the final >> >>vote in Sept. >> >> >> >>PLEASE NOTE: we will start as usual at 1pm on Monday, and go through >> >>2:30 on THURSDAY this is the first of the meetings where we shift to >> >>a quarterly meeting schedule. >> >> >> >>The registration page and hotel information should also be available >> >>very soon final logistics are being handled. >> > >> >Is there a reason we are continuing to go until 2:30 on the last day? >> >Historically, we have gone until 12:00 on the final day and have only >> >pushed out further into Wednesday recently in order to cover the rush >> >for >> >3.0. With the extension to four days, it would be nice to return to >> >our >> >normal final day schedule so that people can attend for the full >> >session >> >and make it home that night. >> > >> >Brian >> > >> >-- >> > ï¿½Brian W. Barrett >> > ï¿½Dept. 1423: Scalable System Software >> > ï¿½Sandia National Laboratories >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >mpi-forum mailing list >> >mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> >http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> > >> >_______________________________________________ >> >mpi-forum mailing list >> >mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> >http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> > >> > >> >> >> -- >> Brian W. Barrett >> Dept. 1423: Scalable System Software >> Sandia National Laboratories >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi-forum mailing list >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > -- > Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de > High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 > University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 > Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner > Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30) > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum -- Jeff Hammond Argonne Leadership Computing Facility University of Chicago Computation Institute jhammond(a)alcf.anl.gov / (630) 252-5381 http://www.linkedin.com/in/jeffhammond https://wiki.alcf.anl.gov/parts/index.php/User:Jhammond

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Re: [Mpi-forum] [EXTERNAL] July meeting
by Rolf Rabenseifner 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

Rich, When I booked my flights many weeks ago, of course, I expected that the meeting finishes at noon, which is 2h30 less than you scheduled. Additionally, I had to take a flight that I must leave on 11:00 am. I hope we can do all relevant to me before 11:00 am. And the other days can be scheduled until 6 pm, which adds in total 1h45. If we see that we need more time, we should use on Wednesday the after-dinner slot. Best regards Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian W Barrett" <bwbarre(a)sandia.gov> > To: "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > Sent: Wednesday, June 20, 2012 4:03:05 PM > Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] [EXTERNAL] July meeting > But that's not what we agreed to do. If we need to be more efficient > with > our time, then let's figure out how to. But every meeting we have an > agenda that goes late in the afternoon on the last day, we had a long > discussion about how we wouldn't do that when we went to four day > meetings, and now we're going to 2:30 again. Which wouldn't be so bad, > except that we rarely go anywhere near as late as scheduled on the > last > day, but I'm not willing to "guess' on that and miss the final > logistics / > MPI next discussions. > > The fact that chapter edits 1) are largely serialized and 2) have time > which in no way reflects the number of changes (for example, I/O needs > as > much time as one-sided) suggests that either we've done something > terribly > wrong with the process or are bad at guessing time allocations. > > Either way, we should rework the schedule to conform to the meeting > schedule we all agreed to when we decided to do these 4 day > marathons... > > Brian > > On 6/19/12 11:34 PM, "Richard Graham" <richardg(a)mellanox.com> wrote: > > >We need to give time for all the chapter wg's to finish their work. > >We > >can always be flexible, and consider moving around items on the > >agenda to > >meet travel needs - and hope we can meet all of them. > > > >Rich > > > >-----Original Message----- > >From: mpi-forum-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > >[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Barrett, > >Brian W > >Sent: Monday, June 18, 2012 4:44 PM > >To: Main MPI Forum mailing list > >Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] [EXTERNAL] July meeting > > > >On 6/16/12 9:30 AM, "Richard Graham" <richardg(a)mellanox.com> wrote: > > > >>The first cut at the agenda for the July meeting of the Forum is > >>on-line. > >> As I mentioned at the last meeting, the goal of this meeting is to > >> get > >>the 3.0 standard ready to be released as a draft standard - all but > >>the > >>last vote, and perhaps a few ticket-0 minor edits before the final > >>vote in Sept. > >> > >>PLEASE NOTE: we will start as usual at 1pm on Monday, and go through > >>2:30 on THURSDAY this is the first of the meetings where we shift to > >>a quarterly meeting schedule. > >> > >>The registration page and hotel information should also be available > >>very soon final logistics are being handled. > > > >Is there a reason we are continuing to go until 2:30 on the last day? > >Historically, we have gone until 12:00 on the final day and have only > >pushed out further into Wednesday recently in order to cover the rush > >for > >3.0. With the extension to four days, it would be nice to return to > >our > >normal final day schedule so that people can attend for the full > >session > >and make it home that night. > > > >Brian > > > >-- > > Brian W. Barrett > > Dept. 1423: Scalable System Software > > Sandia National Laboratories > > > > > > > > > > > > > >_______________________________________________ > >mpi-forum mailing list > >mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > >http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > > >_______________________________________________ > >mpi-forum mailing list > >mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > >http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > > > > > > -- > Brian W. Barrett > Dept. 1423: Scalable System Software > Sandia National Laboratories > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum -- Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30)

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Chapter Committee Sessions
by Bronis R. de Supinski 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

Rich: What is the intent of the chapter committee sessions at the next meeting? My understanding is that we should review the text as it currently stands and decide if any ticket 0 changes are needed. Correct? Please change the "Profiling Interface chapter committee" session to "Tools chapter committee". When we added the MPIT stuff, we changed the name of the chapter. Related to that, I have checked in the changes for that ticket. I expect that session will have a fair amount to do since the chapter has changed significantly. I expect we can use the two hour slot fairly easily. On the other hand, I do not think we need a (long) session for the "External Interfaces chapter committee". I suppose it does not matter since it is the end of the day Tuesday. In any event, we went over the chapter in detail early in the MPI-3.0 process and it has not changed since. We had some tickets that had a first vote at the last meeting that might have impacted them but I am unsure of their status. Are we supposed to apply any newly approved tickets also (i.e., from Monday votes)? Rolf: The only outstanding issues, as far as I know, for the tools and EI chpaters are the Fortran changes. I need you to provide a clear list of what changes are needed for those tickets. Bronis

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Re: [Mpi-forum] [MPI Forum] #195: Topology awareness in MPI_Dims_create
by William Gropp 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

Errors in the description, starting with the description of the routine itself. Bill William Gropp Director, Parallel Computing Institute Deputy Director for Research Institute for Advanced Computing Applications and Technologies Paul and Cynthia Saylor Professor of Computer Science University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign On Jun 21, 2012, at 3:07 AM, MPI Forum wrote: > #195: Topology awareness in MPI_Dims_create > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- > Reporter: balaji | Owner: > Type: New | balaji > routine(s) | Status: > Priority: Not | assigned > ready / author rework | Milestone: > Version: MPI | 2012/03/05 Chicago, USA > 3.0 | Resolution: > Keywords: | Implementation status: > Author: Bill Gropp: 0 | Waiting > Author: Adam Moody: 0 | Author: Rich Graham: 0 > Author: Dick Treumann: 0 | Author: Torsten Hoefler: 1 > Author: George Bosilca: 0 | Author: Jesper Larsson Traeff: 0 > Author: Bronis de Supinski: 0 | Author: David Solt: 0 > Author: Jeff Squyres: 0 | Author: Rajeev Thakur: 0 > Author: Rolf Rabenseifner: 1 | Author: Alexander Supalov: 0 > -------------------------------------+------------------------------------- > > Comment (by RolfRabenseifner): > > Vote has been yes=2, no=10, abstain=4, missed=0. > > Did it fail because > - we should not proceed with this ticket, > - or because it is not ready (bugs in the description)? > > Corrections are needed in the block with the language independent > definition: > - substitute "adapt" by "info" > - remove "if adapt=true" in the description of the "info" argument > The language bindings were correct. > > The full text description was also correct, but we should remove the > canceled text portions. > > -- > Ticket URL: <https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/ticket/195#comment:44> > MPI Forum <https://svn.mpi-forum.org/> > MPI Forum

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Many MPI-tickets: Actions needed before July meeting
by Jeff Squyres 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

On Jun 21, 2012, at 5:16 AM, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote: > please can you correct the title of >> https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/report/14 > from > "MPI-2.2 errata / MPI-3: Tickets that need to be discarded (moved or withdrawn)" > to > "MPI-2.2 errata / MPI-3: single-vote-corrections should be "Scheduled, July 2012 Chicago", all other moved to MPI-next or withdrawn" I used a shorter version for the title: "MPI-2.2 errata / MPI-3: Tickets that need to be discarded (scheduled, moved, or withdrawn)" And put the rest in the description (i.e., it appears in the header of the report page itself). -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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Re: [Mpi-forum] SVN / Trac is down
by Jeff Squyres 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

SVN and Trac are back. On Jun 21, 2012, at 7:22 AM, Jeff Squyres wrote: > We're investigating with IU. > > Sorry for the interruption, folks... > > -- > Jeff Squyres > jsquyres(a)cisco.com > For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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SVN / Trac is down
by Jeff Squyres 21 Jun '12

21 Jun '12

We're investigating with IU. Sorry for the interruption, folks... -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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