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Re: [Mpi-forum] July meeting registration
by Mohamad Chaarawi 19 Jun '12

19 Jun '12

Hi all, I was able to register for the hotel online at http://www.marriott.com/hotels/travel/chirn-residence-inn-chicago-downtown-… using the Group Code that was provided last time: mpimpia Mohamad On 6/19/2012 2:49 AM, Richard Graham wrote: > > Registration page is up, hotel information is available, and the > agenda is update. > > Please send comments, > > Rich > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum

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July meeting registration
by Richard Graham 19 Jun '12

19 Jun '12

Registration page is up, hotel information is available, and the agenda is update. Please send comments, Rich

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Re: [Mpi-forum] July meeting
by Mcmillan, Scott A 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

What is the status of having a first draft of the chapters available ahead of the July meeting? Thanks, Scott From: mpi-forum-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Richard Graham Sent: Saturday, June 16, 2012 10:30 AM To: mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org Subject: [Mpi-forum] July meeting The first cut at the agenda for the July meeting of the Forum is on-line. As I mentioned at the last meeting, the goal of this meeting is to get the 3.0 standard ready to be released as a draft standard - all but the last vote, and perhaps a few ticket-0 minor edits before the final vote in Sept. PLEASE NOTE: we will start as usual at 1pm on Monday, and go through 2:30 on THURSDAY - this is the first of the meetings where we shift to a quarterly meeting schedule. The registration page and hotel information should also be available very soon - final logistics are being handled. Rich

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Re: [Mpi-forum] [EXTERNAL] July meeting
by Barrett, Brian W 18 Jun '12

18 Jun '12

On 6/16/12 9:30 AM, "Richard Graham" <richardg(a)mellanox.com> wrote: >The first cut at the agenda for the July meeting of the Forum is on-line. > As I mentioned at the last meeting, the goal of this meeting is to get >the 3.0 standard ready to be released as a draft standard - all but the >last vote, and perhaps > a few ticket-0 minor edits before the final vote in Sept. > >PLEASE NOTE: we will start as usual at 1pm on Monday, and go through 2:30 >on THURSDAY ï¿½ this is the first of the meetings where we shift to a >quarterly meeting schedule. > >The registration page and hotel information should also be available very >soon ï¿½ final logistics are being handled. Is there a reason we are continuing to go until 2:30 on the last day? Historically, we have gone until 12:00 on the final day and have only pushed out further into Wednesday recently in order to cover the rush for 3.0. With the extension to four days, it would be nice to return to our normal final day schedule so that people can attend for the full session and make it home that night. Brian -- Brian W. Barrett Dept. 1423: Scalable System Software Sandia National Laboratories

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Re: [Mpi-forum] July meeting
by Bronis R. de Supinski 16 Jun '12

16 Jun '12

Rich: I have to be in DC on Thursday for an Exascale OS Council meeting so I have to leave the meeting by 6PM on Wednesday and will not attend on Thursday. Please move the EI and Profiling chapter sessions to Wednesday morning or Tuesday so that I will be able to cover them without concern for missing my flight to DC. Thanks, Also, when do you expect the registration to be available? Bronis On Sat, 16 Jun 2012, Richard Graham wrote: > The first cut at the agenda for the July meeting of the Forum is on-line. As I mentioned at the last meeting, the goal of this meeting is to get the 3.0 standard ready to be released as a draft standard - all but the last vote, and perhaps a few ticket-0 minor edits before the final vote in Sept. > > PLEASE NOTE: we will start as usual at 1pm on Monday, and go through 2:30 on THURSDAY ï¿½ this is the first of the meetings where we shift to a quarterly meeting schedule. > > The registration page and hotel information should also be available very soon ï¿½ final logistics are being handled. > > Rich >

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July meeting
by Richard Graham 16 Jun '12

16 Jun '12

The first cut at the agenda for the July meeting of the Forum is on-line. As I mentioned at the last meeting, the goal of this meeting is to get the 3.0 standard ready to be released as a draft standard - all but the last vote, and perhaps a few ticket-0 minor edits before the final vote in Sept. PLEASE NOTE: we will start as usual at 1pm on Monday, and go through 2:30 on THURSDAY - this is the first of the meetings where we shift to a quarterly meeting schedule. The registration page and hotel information should also be available very soon - final logistics are being handled. Rich

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Re: [Mpi-forum] [EXTERNAL] Re: Voting in July (and beyond)
by Rusty Lusk 15 Jun '12

15 Jun '12

This note is to say that yes, the Steering Committee is alive. I have not been attending MPI-3 meetings because of other responsibilities and because the Argonne group is well represented without me. Nonetheless I am a keen follower of Forum activities, including the discussion in this thread. So far I don't believe anyone has said anything crazy; there seems to be a consensus that a simple majority of a very small number of people is insufficient for making important decisions. In MPI-1 and -2 we had a different structure (chapters vs. tickets) which seemed to lead to involvement of a greater percentage of attendees studying each issue in the chapter working groups, and therefore fewer serious (non-straw) votes in the long run. This made the "bad" situation very rare, and led to a certain acceptable level of informality about the voting rules. Nonetheless, it did happen from time to time that the "bad" situation did arise, and we would have an unusually large number of abstentions. When this happened we would say to ourselves, "Well, we thought this was ready for a vote but apparently it isn't" and the issue would be deferred until more people felt comfortable taking a stand either for or against. The "Journal of Development" ended up containing many interesting ideas that essentially got deferred off the end of the process, and most people thought that this was an appropriate result for proposals that did not generate sufficient enthusiasm either for their inclusion or exclusion. The very nature of MPI-3 is more difficult than MPI-1 or -2, due to the interlocking of issues like fault tolerance, etc., so I don't think there is anything wrong with the current structure for topics. The challenge is to find a way to define a process that achieves what everyone wants (robust support for MPI-3) without getting hamstrung in rule-making. (Hey, grizzled veterans, I'll bet there is a paper or two in examining the venerable JOD from the archives. "What would have been the consequences if this or that proposal had become part of the MPI standard?") Rusty On Friday,Jun 15, 2012, at 10:34 AM, Jeff Squyres wrote: > On Jun 15, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Richard Graham wrote: > >> While some may view this as a change in rules, this was in fact a clarification. > > Fair enough: the rules themselves did not change. What happened in Japan was a different interpretation than what has been used in the past. > >> This seems like a good topic to bring up to the Steering Committee. > > The meetings page lists the steering committee as: > > ï¿½ Jack Dongarra > ï¿½ Al Geist > ï¿½ Richard Graham > ï¿½ Bill Gropp > ï¿½ Andrew Lumsdaine > ï¿½ Ewing Lusk > ï¿½ Rolf Rabenseifner > > At one point, you told me that, as the secretary, I was part of the Steering Committee, too. That was not documented, however. > > FWIW: Of the list above list, 4 of the 7 are not active in the Forum. > > -- > Jeff Squyres > jsquyres(a)cisco.com > For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Voting in July (and beyond)
by Bronis R. de Supinski 15 Jun '12

15 Jun '12

Jeff: I have been silent because I do not object to your position for the remainde of MPI-3. I believe the controversies have already been settled. Bronis On Fri, 15 Jun 2012, Jeff Squyres wrote: > On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Bronis R. de Supinski wrote: > >> Overall, I think the Japan rules interpretation resulted in the >> right results, whether or not they were consistent with prior votes. > > > FWIW: I agree that perhaps we should have a more strenuous (and precise) definition of the "pass" criteria -- perhaps based on 2/3 (or more?) instead of 1/2 (...intentionally disregarding current ambiguities). Note that I see this as an issue for MPI-<next>, however. > > For MPI-3, I believe that all remaining votes will be consensus-enough that the application of Japan or prior rule interpretations likely will not matter. > > Hence, my proposal is to finish MPI-3 using the interpretation I've been using for the past 3-4 years solely for consistency. This will give us a little time to clarify -- and potentially strengthen -- the "pass" criteria for MPI-<next>. > > -- > Jeff Squyres > jsquyres(a)cisco.com > For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >

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Re: [Mpi-forum] [EXTERNAL] Re: Voting in July (and beyond)
by Jeff Squyres 15 Jun '12

15 Jun '12

On Jun 15, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Richard Graham wrote: > While some may view this as a change in rules, this was in fact a clarification. Fair enough: the rules themselves did not change. What happened in Japan was a different interpretation than what has been used in the past. > This seems like a good topic to bring up to the Steering Committee. The meetings page lists the steering committee as: ï¿½ Jack Dongarra ï¿½ Al Geist ï¿½ Richard Graham ï¿½ Bill Gropp ï¿½ Andrew Lumsdaine ï¿½ Ewing Lusk ï¿½ Rolf Rabenseifner At one point, you told me that, as the secretary, I was part of the Steering Committee, too. That was not documented, however. FWIW: Of the list above list, 4 of the 7 are not active in the Forum. -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Voting in July (and beyond)
by Jeff Squyres 15 Jun '12

15 Jun '12

On Jun 15, 2012, at 11:06 AM, Bronis R. de Supinski wrote: > Overall, I think the Japan rules interpretation resulted in the > right results, whether or not they were consistent with prior votes. FWIW: I agree that perhaps we should have a more strenuous (and precise) definition of the "pass" criteria -- perhaps based on 2/3 (or more?) instead of 1/2 (...intentionally disregarding current ambiguities). Note that I see this as an issue for MPI-<next>, however. For MPI-3, I believe that all remaining votes will be consensus-enough that the application of Japan or prior rule interpretations likely will not matter. Hence, my proposal is to finish MPI-3 using the interpretation I've been using for the past 3-4 years solely for consistency. This will give us a little time to clarify -- and potentially strengthen -- the "pass" criteria for MPI-<next>. -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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