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Re: [Mpi-forum] Other tickets and Re: Upcoming formal readings
by William Gropp 18 Jan '12

18 Jan '12

I've sent the list to Rich who said he'd update them (Rich, let me know if I misunderstood). Bill On Jan 18, 2012, at 11:26 AM, Jeff Squyres wrote: > Bill -- > > Did this happen? I have committed a 2nd-vote change to the language chapter (#279 - Make C++ bindings optional) and need to know who's on the committee to review the PDF. > > > > On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:09 PM, William Gropp wrote: > >> Yes, I have the list (at home) and need to update the lists. I'll do that this weekend when I get home. >> >> Bill >> >> On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Josh Hursey wrote: >> >>> At the October meeting I believe that I gave the list to Bill Gropp at the end of the meeting. >>> >>> -- Josh >>> >>> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Schulz, Martin <schulz6(a)llnl.gov> wrote: >>> Hi Rich, all, >>> >>> On Jan 6, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Graham, Richard L. wrote: >>> >>>> Each chapter author should gather all the changes, and schedule a time for the vote. >>> >>> OK, thanks. >>> >>>> >>>> Chapter committees are posted on the web - just used that for a review I needed. >>> >>> We did a re-align of the committees during the last meeting in Chicago, though, and I don't see this reflected anywhere. Is this still valid and, if so, does anyone know where this new information is? >>> >>> Thanks, >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Rich >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Sent with Good (www.good.com) >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: Schulz, Martin [schulz6(a)llnl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>] >>>> Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 02:24 AM Eastern Standard Time >>>> To: Main MPI Forum mailing list >>>> Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Other tickets and Re: Upcoming formal readings >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> As a general question: how are we dealing with ticket 0 changes? If I remember right, they need a reading and a full forum vote as well (in the same meeting), at least that's how we handled the early ticket zero changes for the profiling chapter. Will there be some dedicated time in the March meeting for this or should we bring these things up individually with the chapter authors and have them organize the readings and votes? >>>> >>>> As for the chapter authors and committees: are they still the same as on the webpage or did we switch to the new assignments we decided on last time in Chicago? If so, where is that information? >>>> >>>> Thanks, >>>> >>>> Martin >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Jan 5, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Fab Tillier wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi Rolf, >>>>> >>>>> Rolf Rabenseifner wrote on Thu, 5 Jan 2012 at 10:00:52 >>>>> >>>>>> What are we doing with the following tickets that are not fully ready: >>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>>> >>>>>> #125 Use of [] in output arrays ("trivial text changes") >>>>>> >>>>>> #126 Consistent use of [] for input arrays >>>>> >>>>> These two are ticket-0 type changes, as they don't change the function signatures. I know Torsten already did some of them for the collective chapter. Not sure why these aren't listed with "trivial text changes" below... >>>>> >>>>> -Fab >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> mpi-forum mailing list >>>>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>>>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >>>> >>>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>>> Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm >>>> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mpi-forum mailing list >>>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm >>> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpi-forum mailing list >>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Joshua Hursey >>> Postdoctoral Research Associate >>> Oak Ridge National Laboratory >>> http://users.nccs.gov/~jjhursey >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpi-forum mailing list >>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> >> William Gropp >> Director, Parallel Computing Institute >> Deputy Director for Research >> Institute for Advanced Computing Applications and Technologies >> Paul and Cynthia Saylor Professor of Computer Science >> University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi-forum mailing list >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > > -- > Jeff Squyres > jsquyres(a)cisco.com > For corporate legal information go to: > http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum William Gropp Director, Parallel Computing Institute Deputy Director for Research Institute for Advanced Computing Applications and Technologies Paul and Cynthia Saylor Professor of Computer Science University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Other tickets and Re: Upcoming formal readings
by Jeff Squyres 18 Jan '12

18 Jan '12

Bill -- Did this happen? I have committed a 2nd-vote change to the language chapter (#279 - Make C++ bindings optional) and need to know who's on the committee to review the PDF. On Jan 10, 2012, at 10:09 PM, William Gropp wrote: > Yes, I have the list (at home) and need to update the lists. I'll do that this weekend when I get home. > > Bill > > On Jan 9, 2012, at 2:08 PM, Josh Hursey wrote: > >> At the October meeting I believe that I gave the list to Bill Gropp at the end of the meeting. >> >> -- Josh >> >> On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 4:17 PM, Schulz, Martin <schulz6(a)llnl.gov> wrote: >> Hi Rich, all, >> >> On Jan 6, 2012, at 2:05 AM, Graham, Richard L. wrote: >> >> > Each chapter author should gather all the changes, and schedule a time for the vote. >> >> OK, thanks. >> >> > >> > Chapter committees are posted on the web - just used that for a review I needed. >> >> We did a re-align of the committees during the last meeting in Chicago, though, and I don't see this reflected anywhere. Is this still valid and, if so, does anyone know where this new information is? >> >> Thanks, >> >> Martin >> >> >> > >> > Rich >> > >> > >> > >> > Sent with Good (www.good.com) >> > >> > >> > -----Original Message----- >> > From: Schulz, Martin [schulz6(a)llnl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>] >> > Sent: Friday, January 06, 2012 02:24 AM Eastern Standard Time >> > To: Main MPI Forum mailing list >> > Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Other tickets and Re: Upcoming formal readings >> > >> > >> > Hi all, >> > >> > As a general question: how are we dealing with ticket 0 changes? If I remember right, they need a reading and a full forum vote as well (in the same meeting), at least that's how we handled the early ticket zero changes for the profiling chapter. Will there be some dedicated time in the March meeting for this or should we bring these things up individually with the chapter authors and have them organize the readings and votes? >> > >> > As for the chapter authors and committees: are they still the same as on the webpage or did we switch to the new assignments we decided on last time in Chicago? If so, where is that information? >> > >> > Thanks, >> > >> > Martin >> > >> > >> > >> > On Jan 5, 2012, at 10:27 AM, Fab Tillier wrote: >> > >> >> Hi Rolf, >> >> >> >> Rolf Rabenseifner wrote on Thu, 5 Jan 2012 at 10:00:52 >> >> >> >>> What are we doing with the following tickets that are not fully ready: >> >>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>> >> >>> #125 Use of [] in output arrays ("trivial text changes") >> >>> >> >>> #126 Consistent use of [] for input arrays >> >> >> >> These two are ticket-0 type changes, as they don't change the function signatures. I know Torsten already did some of them for the collective chapter. Not sure why these aren't listed with "trivial text changes" below... >> >> >> >> -Fab >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> mpi-forum mailing list >> >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> > >> > ________________________________________________________________________ >> > Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm >> > CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > mpi-forum mailing list >> > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm >> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi-forum mailing list >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> >> >> >> >> -- >> Joshua Hursey >> Postdoctoral Research Associate >> Oak Ridge National Laboratory >> http://users.nccs.gov/~jjhursey >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi-forum mailing list >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > William Gropp > Director, Parallel Computing Institute > Deputy Director for Research > Institute for Advanced Computing Applications and Technologies > Paul and Cynthia Saylor Professor of Computer Science > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Mar agenda request: ticket 0
by Jeff Squyres 18 Jan '12

18 Jan '12

Please note that my original request had to do with *existing* ticket 0-quality tickets. As we discussed in San Jose, it seems like a simple solution to just read+vote on those tickets and get them over with. All *new* ticket 0-quality items should be brought up directly with the chapter committees. On Jan 12, 2012, at 5:23 PM, RICHARD GRAHAM wrote: > That is fine, but the whole forum needs to approve these before they go out. Can be at the final chapter vote. > > Rich > > > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:10:10 -0600 > > From: htor(a)illinois.edu > > To: mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Mar agenda request: ticket 0 > > > > I second that. > > > > We shouldn't be wasting our time with endless ticket-0 discussions Get > > it fixed by the chapter group and vote on it once at the end. > > > > Torsten > > > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 03:30:54PM -0600, Dave Goodell wrote: > > > All of these issues should be handled by the chapter committees, not the > > > whole Forum. We shouldn't be bringing up new ticket 0 items to the whole > > > Forum. If they aren't really ticket 0, then that's a different story. > > > But if they are small and noncontroversial (my understanding of our > > > "ticket 0" definition) then it should be handled by the committee and > > > covered by the chapter vote at the end of the process. > > > > > > -Dave > > > > > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Pavan Balaji wrote: > > > > > >> > > >> Might be better to send all those ticket 0 changes to Rolf, so > > >> everything can get done in one read through, and duplicates can be > > >> avoided? > > >> > > >> -- Pavan > > >> > > >> On 01/12/2012 12:41 PM, Martin Schulz wrote: > > >>> Hi Jeff, Rich, all, > > >>> > > >>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Squyres wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Rich -- > > >>>> > > >>>> We need a chunk of time to go through all the "ticket 0" tickets: > > >>>> 30 mins. > > >>> > > >>> I also have a series of ticket 0 changes for the environmental > > >>> management chapter and I'll work with George (as the chapter > > >>> committee chair) to get them together. Those probably need an > > >>> additional 10min. I would assume that others will run across ticket > > >>> 0 changes as well, in particular during the integration of voted in > > >>> sections. It may be useful to allocate a larger block (60-90min) for > > >>> all of those instead of each requesting them separately. > > >>> > > >>> Martin > > >>> > > >>> > > >>>> > > >>>> Rolf will be sending a list of these shortly. > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> Jeff Squyres > > >>>> jsquyres(a)cisco.com > > >>>> For corporate legal information go to: > > >>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > > >>>> > > >>>> _______________________________________________ > > >>>> mpi-forum mailing list > > >>>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > >>>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > >>> > > >>> ________________________________________________________________________ > > >>> Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm > > >>> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> _______________________________________________ > > >>> mpi-forum mailing list > > >>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > >> > > >> -- > > >> Pavan Balaji > > >> http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~balaji > > >> _______________________________________________ > > >> mpi-forum mailing list > > >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > > mpi-forum mailing list > > > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > > > > > > -- > > bash$ :(){ :|:&};: --------------------- http://www.unixer.de/ ----- > > Torsten Hoefler | Performance Modeling and Simulation Lead > > Blue Waters Directorate | University of Illinois (UIUC) > > 1205 W Clark Street | Urbana, IL, 61801 > > NCSA Building | +01 (217) 244-7736 > > _______________________________________________ > > mpi-forum mailing list > > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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Updated Protocol of MPI-3 ticket action plan for March 2012
by Rolf Rabenseifner 16 Jan '12

16 Jan '12

Updated protocol. Tickets 185, 207, 215, 254, 255, 262, 263, 267, 268 and 312 on Slide 9 are now all prepared for reading. Tickets 162, 182, 219 on Slide 11 also. Best reagrds Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rolf Rabenseifner" <rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de> > To: "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > Sent: Monday, January 16, 2012 4:46:05 PM > Subject: [Mpi-forum] Protocol of MPI-3 ticket action plan for March 2012 - Both parts > Dear all ticket owners and chapter authors, > > Here is now the complete protocol combined with all > updates for the ppt as far as I know about. > The ppt and pdf contain our route 66 (tickets) to MPI-3.0. > The txt contains the MPI-next and withdrawn. > > All orange tickets with "!" still need some work. > > I expect that this will be the complete working plan > for the March meeting. > For the agenda, which will have a maximum of 8+12+6=26 hours, > Rich will need your time-estimates. > > My statistics and estimates: > - 12 dark green tickets = passed = 0 h > - 2 light green tickets (299,229) = 2nd vote needed = 10 min > - 8 blue tickets (272,168,298,308,309,284,280,294) = 1st vote needed = > 45 min > - 11 orange simple tickets on slide 9 = reading+ONE VOTE = 35 min > Sum = 1.5 h > > - Slide 2, ticket 273 = partial re-reading = 0.5 h > - Slide 3, small tickets 275+283+300 = reading = 0.5 h > - Slide 4, FT (see at the end of the list) > - Slide 5, ticket 271 = reading = 0.7 h > - Slide 6, tickets 310+311+217 = partial re-readings = 2 h > - Slide 7, tickets 286+305 = (partial) re-reading = 0.5 h (first day) > discussion probably off-line, re-reading = 0.5 h (last day) > - Slide 7, ticket 264 = partial re-reading = 0.5 h > - Slide 8, ticket 278 = partial re-reading = 0.5 h > - Slide 8, ticket 281 = full re-reading = 0.5 h > - Slide 8, ticket 303 = discussion ? = 1 h > - Slide 9, already included in the first part of the list > - Slide 10, readings: ticket 158 (10min), 187 (30min), > ticket 227 (10min), 256 (10min), 259 (40min), > + unexpected discussions (20min) = 2 h > - Slide 11, reading+ONE VOTE: tickets 162, 182, 219 = 22 small items = > 0.5 h > - Slide 11, reading+ONE VOTE: tickets 125+126 = many items > but all verified by reviewers = 0.5 h > - Slide 11, reading+ONE VOTE: ticket 218 (may include discussion) = 1 > h > - Slide 12, reading of ticket 159 + discussion : 1 h > - Slide 12, reading of ticket 163 + discussion : 1 h > - Slide 12, reading of ticket 194+195 + discussion : 2 h > - Slide 12, reading of ticket 222 + discussion : 1 h > - Slide 12, reading of ticket 293 : 1 h > - Slide 12, reading of ticket 304 + discussion : 1 h > Sum = 32 orange tickets = 18.2 h > > - Remaining time for FT: 6.3 h > > I hope that my estimates fit to the estimates of the ticket owners. > And that we spare some additional time in some of the tickets > to get some additional breaks, especially on Tuesday. > For Tuesday, I recommend to add at least three breaks 15 / 30 / 30 min > to the agenda and to lengthen it to 10pm to keep the working time. > (On Monday, I personally would really like to stop at 9pm > due to oversee timezone switch). > > We should try to get really all through, because the group in Japan > will be too small for significant discussions. > > Goal at end of March-meeting: > - 12 tickets passed with 2 votes > - 8 tickets passed with 1st vote (2nd vote needed in Japan) > - 17 text-only or trivial tickets passed with only one vote > - 26 tickets passed formal reading and ready for 1st vote in Japan > - FT with about 3 tickets, passed formal reading > Goals for FT: a first stage that help the next years and > may need upgrades in some years > (as we have seen with 1-sided in the two steps in MPI-2.0 and 3.0). > -------- > This is the total of our route 66 (tickets) for MPI-3.0 > > Best regards > Rolf > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Rolf Rabenseifner" <rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de> > > To: "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:12:42 AM > > Subject: [Mpi-forum] Protocol of MPI-3 ticket action plan - Part A > > Hi all, > > > > here is the text file to you all - this is Part A. > > Part B is coming later. This will be the commented ppt. > > > > Best regards > > Rolf > > > > -- > > Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email > > rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de > > High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone > > ++49(0)711/685-65530 > > University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / > > 685-65832 > > Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . > > www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner > > Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30) > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpi-forum mailing list > > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > -- > Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de > High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 > University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 > Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner > Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30) > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum -- Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30)

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Protocol of MPI-3 ticket action plan for March 2012 - Both parts
by Rolf Rabenseifner 16 Jan '12

16 Jan '12

Dear all ticket owners and chapter authors, Here is now the complete protocol combined with all updates for the ppt as far as I know about. The ppt and pdf contain our route 66 (tickets) to MPI-3.0. The txt contains the MPI-next and withdrawn. All orange tickets with "!" still need some work. I expect that this will be the complete working plan for the March meeting. For the agenda, which will have a maximum of 8+12+6=26 hours, Rich will need your time-estimates. My statistics and estimates: - 12 dark green tickets = passed = 0 h - 2 light green tickets (299,229) = 2nd vote needed = 10 min - 8 blue tickets (272,168,298,308,309,284,280,294) = 1st vote needed = 45 min - 11 orange simple tickets on slide 9 = reading+ONE VOTE = 35 min Sum = 1.5 h - Slide 2, ticket 273 = partial re-reading = 0.5 h - Slide 3, small tickets 275+283+300 = reading = 0.5 h - Slide 4, FT (see at the end of the list) - Slide 5, ticket 271 = reading = 0.7 h - Slide 6, tickets 310+311+217 = partial re-readings = 2 h - Slide 7, tickets 286+305 = (partial) re-reading = 0.5 h (first day) discussion probably off-line, re-reading = 0.5 h (last day) - Slide 7, ticket 264 = partial re-reading = 0.5 h - Slide 8, ticket 278 = partial re-reading = 0.5 h - Slide 8, ticket 281 = full re-reading = 0.5 h - Slide 8, ticket 303 = discussion ? = 1 h - Slide 9, already included in the first part of the list - Slide 10, readings: ticket 158 (10min), 187 (30min), ticket 227 (10min), 256 (10min), 259 (40min), + unexpected discussions (20min) = 2 h - Slide 11, reading+ONE VOTE: tickets 162, 182, 219 = 22 small items = 0.5 h - Slide 11, reading+ONE VOTE: tickets 125+126 = many items but all verified by reviewers = 0.5 h - Slide 11, reading+ONE VOTE: ticket 218 (may include discussion) = 1 h - Slide 12, reading of ticket 159 + discussion : 1 h - Slide 12, reading of ticket 163 + discussion : 1 h - Slide 12, reading of ticket 194+195 + discussion : 2 h - Slide 12, reading of ticket 222 + discussion : 1 h - Slide 12, reading of ticket 293 : 1 h - Slide 12, reading of ticket 304 + discussion : 1 h Sum = 32 orange tickets = 18.2 h - Remaining time for FT: 6.3 h I hope that my estimates fit to the estimates of the ticket owners. And that we spare some additional time in some of the tickets to get some additional breaks, especially on Tuesday. For Tuesday, I recommend to add at least three breaks 15 / 30 / 30 min to the agenda and to lengthen it to 10pm to keep the working time. (On Monday, I personally would really like to stop at 9pm due to oversee timezone switch). We should try to get really all through, because the group in Japan will be too small for significant discussions. Goal at end of March-meeting: - 12 tickets passed with 2 votes - 8 tickets passed with 1st vote (2nd vote needed in Japan) - 17 text-only or trivial tickets passed with only one vote - 26 tickets passed formal reading and ready for 1st vote in Japan - FT with about 3 tickets, passed formal reading Goals for FT: a first stage that help the next years and may need upgrades in some years (as we have seen with 1-sided in the two steps in MPI-2.0 and 3.0). -------- This is the total of our route 66 (tickets) for MPI-3.0 Best regards Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Rolf Rabenseifner" <rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de> > To: "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > Sent: Thursday, January 12, 2012 2:12:42 AM > Subject: [Mpi-forum] Protocol of MPI-3 ticket action plan - Part A > Hi all, > > here is the text file to you all - this is Part A. > Part B is coming later. This will be the commented ppt. > > Best regards > Rolf > > -- > Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de > High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 > University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 > Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner > Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30) > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum -- Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30)

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Mar agenda request: ticket 0
by RICHARD GRAHAM 12 Jan '12

12 Jan '12

That is fine, but the whole forum needs to approve these before they go out. Can be at the final chapter vote. Rich > Date: Thu, 12 Jan 2012 16:10:10 -0600 > From: htor(a)illinois.edu > To: mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Mar agenda request: ticket 0 > > I second that. > > We shouldn't be wasting our time with endless ticket-0 discussions Get > it fixed by the chapter group and vote on it once at the end. > > Torsten > > On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 03:30:54PM -0600, Dave Goodell wrote: > > All of these issues should be handled by the chapter committees, not the > > whole Forum. We shouldn't be bringing up new ticket 0 items to the whole > > Forum. If they aren't really ticket 0, then that's a different story. > > But if they are small and noncontroversial (my understanding of our > > "ticket 0" definition) then it should be handled by the committee and > > covered by the chapter vote at the end of the process. > > > > -Dave > > > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Pavan Balaji wrote: > > > >> > >> Might be better to send all those ticket 0 changes to Rolf, so > >> everything can get done in one read through, and duplicates can be > >> avoided? > >> > >> -- Pavan > >> > >> On 01/12/2012 12:41 PM, Martin Schulz wrote: > >>> Hi Jeff, Rich, all, > >>> > >>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Squyres wrote: > >>> > >>>> Rich -- > >>>> > >>>> We need a chunk of time to go through all the "ticket 0" tickets: > >>>> 30 mins. > >>> > >>> I also have a series of ticket 0 changes for the environmental > >>> management chapter and I'll work with George (as the chapter > >>> committee chair) to get them together. Those probably need an > >>> additional 10min. I would assume that others will run across ticket > >>> 0 changes as well, in particular during the integration of voted in > >>> sections. It may be useful to allocate a larger block (60-90min) for > >>> all of those instead of each requesting them separately. > >>> > >>> Martin > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> Rolf will be sending a list of these shortly. > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> Jeff Squyres > >>>> jsquyres(a)cisco.com > >>>> For corporate legal information go to: > >>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> mpi-forum mailing list > >>>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > >>>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > >>> > >>> ________________________________________________________________________ > >>> Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm > >>> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> mpi-forum mailing list > >>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > >> > >> -- > >> Pavan Balaji > >> http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~balaji > >> _______________________________________________ > >> mpi-forum mailing list > >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpi-forum mailing list > > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > > > -- > bash$ :(){ :|:&};: --------------------- http://www.unixer.de/ ----- > Torsten Hoefler | Performance Modeling and Simulation Lead > Blue Waters Directorate | University of Illinois (UIUC) > 1205 W Clark Street | Urbana, IL, 61801 > NCSA Building | +01 (217) 244-7736 > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Mar agenda request: ticket 0
by Torsten Hoefler 12 Jan '12

12 Jan '12

I second that. We shouldn't be wasting our time with endless ticket-0 discussions Get it fixed by the chapter group and vote on it once at the end. Torsten On Thu, Jan 12, 2012 at 03:30:54PM -0600, Dave Goodell wrote: > All of these issues should be handled by the chapter committees, not the > whole Forum. We shouldn't be bringing up new ticket 0 items to the whole > Forum. If they aren't really ticket 0, then that's a different story. > But if they are small and noncontroversial (my understanding of our > "ticket 0" definition) then it should be handled by the committee and > covered by the chapter vote at the end of the process. > > -Dave > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Pavan Balaji wrote: > >> >> Might be better to send all those ticket 0 changes to Rolf, so >> everything can get done in one read through, and duplicates can be >> avoided? >> >> -- Pavan >> >> On 01/12/2012 12:41 PM, Martin Schulz wrote: >>> Hi Jeff, Rich, all, >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Squyres wrote: >>> >>>> Rich -- >>>> >>>> We need a chunk of time to go through all the "ticket 0" tickets: >>>> 30 mins. >>> >>> I also have a series of ticket 0 changes for the environmental >>> management chapter and I'll work with George (as the chapter >>> committee chair) to get them together. Those probably need an >>> additional 10min. I would assume that others will run across ticket >>> 0 changes as well, in particular during the integration of voted in >>> sections. It may be useful to allocate a larger block (60-90min) for >>> all of those instead of each requesting them separately. >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Rolf will be sending a list of these shortly. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jeff Squyres >>>> jsquyres(a)cisco.com >>>> For corporate legal information go to: >>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mpi-forum mailing list >>>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm >>> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpi-forum mailing list >>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> >> -- >> Pavan Balaji >> http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~balaji >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi-forum mailing list >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > -- bash$ :(){ :|:&};: --------------------- http://www.unixer.de/ ----- Torsten Hoefler | Performance Modeling and Simulation Lead Blue Waters Directorate | University of Illinois (UIUC) 1205 W Clark Street | Urbana, IL, 61801 NCSA Building | +01 (217) 244-7736

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Mar agenda request: ticket 0
by Martin Schulz 12 Jan '12

12 Jan '12

Hi Dave, all, On Jan 12, 2012, at 1:30 PM, Dave Goodell wrote: > All of these issues should be handled by the chapter committees, not > the whole Forum. We shouldn't be bringing up new ticket 0 items to > the whole Forum. If they aren't really ticket 0, then that's a > different story. But if they are small and noncontroversial (my > understanding of our "ticket 0" definition) then it should be handled > by the committee and covered by the chapter vote at the end of the > process. At some point the whole forum has to look at them and vote on them (unless we change the process). Doing that during the final chapter vote would certainly be one way to do that, if that is what we decide. This would mean, though, that we have to find a place to keep all ticket 0 changes so people can look at them and it would also mean that there are changes to the chapter text in the repository after the final chapter vote. I always thought of the final chapter vote as a last look at the completed chapter text to check for inconsistencies, which would no longer be the case and this could be problematic. Overall, I am more than willing to do whatever gets decided as the path forward, but I would prefer if we have a clearly defined process and (if we decide to group all ticket zero changes up to final vote) that we find a way to include them into the nearly final text to avoid misunderstandings in their implementation (since nobody will look at them after that anymore). Martin > > -Dave > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Pavan Balaji wrote: > >> >> Might be better to send all those ticket 0 changes to Rolf, so >> everything can get done in one read through, and duplicates can be >> avoided? >> >> -- Pavan >> >> On 01/12/2012 12:41 PM, Martin Schulz wrote: >>> Hi Jeff, Rich, all, >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Squyres wrote: >>> >>>> Rich -- >>>> >>>> We need a chunk of time to go through all the "ticket 0" tickets: >>>> 30 mins. >>> >>> I also have a series of ticket 0 changes for the environmental >>> management chapter and I'll work with George (as the chapter >>> committee chair) to get them together. Those probably need an >>> additional 10min. I would assume that others will run across ticket >>> 0 changes as well, in particular during the integration of voted in >>> sections. It may be useful to allocate a larger block (60-90min) >>> for all of those instead of each requesting them separately. >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Rolf will be sending a list of these shortly. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jeff Squyres >>>> jsquyres(a)cisco.com >>>> For corporate legal information go to: >>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mpi-forum mailing list >>>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm >>> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpi-forum mailing list >>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> >> -- >> Pavan Balaji >> http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~balaji >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi-forum mailing list >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > ________________________________________________________________________ Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Mar agenda request: ticket 0
by William Gropp 12 Jan '12

12 Jan '12

I agree - this is exactly the sort of thing for which the chapter committees should be responsible. Bill On Jan 12, 2012, at 4:30 PM, Dave Goodell wrote: > All of these issues should be handled by the chapter committees, not the whole Forum. We shouldn't be bringing up new ticket 0 items to the whole Forum. If they aren't really ticket 0, then that's a different story. But if they are small and noncontroversial (my understanding of our "ticket 0" definition) then it should be handled by the committee and covered by the chapter vote at the end of the process. > > -Dave > > On Jan 12, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Pavan Balaji wrote: > >> >> Might be better to send all those ticket 0 changes to Rolf, so everything can get done in one read through, and duplicates can be avoided? >> >> -- Pavan >> >> On 01/12/2012 12:41 PM, Martin Schulz wrote: >>> Hi Jeff, Rich, all, >>> >>> On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Squyres wrote: >>> >>>> Rich -- >>>> >>>> We need a chunk of time to go through all the "ticket 0" tickets: 30 mins. >>> >>> I also have a series of ticket 0 changes for the environmental management chapter and I'll work with George (as the chapter committee chair) to get them together. Those probably need an additional 10min. I would assume that others will run across ticket 0 changes as well, in particular during the integration of voted in sections. It may be useful to allocate a larger block (60-90min) for all of those instead of each requesting them separately. >>> >>> Martin >>> >>> >>>> >>>> Rolf will be sending a list of these shortly. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jeff Squyres >>>> jsquyres(a)cisco.com >>>> For corporate legal information go to: >>>> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> mpi-forum mailing list >>>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >>> >>> ________________________________________________________________________ >>> Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm >>> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpi-forum mailing list >>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> >> -- >> Pavan Balaji >> http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~balaji >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi-forum mailing list >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum William Gropp Director, Parallel Computing Institute Deputy Director for Research Institute for Advanced Computing Applications and Technologies Paul and Cynthia Saylor Professor of Computer Science University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Mar agenda request: ticket 0
by Dave Goodell 12 Jan '12

12 Jan '12

All of these issues should be handled by the chapter committees, not the whole Forum. We shouldn't be bringing up new ticket 0 items to the whole Forum. If they aren't really ticket 0, then that's a different story. But if they are small and noncontroversial (my understanding of our "ticket 0" definition) then it should be handled by the committee and covered by the chapter vote at the end of the process. -Dave On Jan 12, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Pavan Balaji wrote: > > Might be better to send all those ticket 0 changes to Rolf, so > everything can get done in one read through, and duplicates can be > avoided? > > -- Pavan > > On 01/12/2012 12:41 PM, Martin Schulz wrote: >> Hi Jeff, Rich, all, >> >> On Jan 12, 2012, at 9:26 AM, Jeff Squyres wrote: >> >>> Rich -- >>> >>> We need a chunk of time to go through all the "ticket 0" tickets: >>> 30 mins. >> >> I also have a series of ticket 0 changes for the environmental >> management chapter and I'll work with George (as the chapter >> committee chair) to get them together. Those probably need an >> additional 10min. I would assume that others will run across ticket >> 0 changes as well, in particular during the integration of voted in >> sections. It may be useful to allocate a larger block (60-90min) >> for all of those instead of each requesting them separately. >> >> Martin >> >> >>> >>> Rolf will be sending a list of these shortly. >>> >>> -- >>> Jeff Squyres >>> jsquyres(a)cisco.com >>> For corporate legal information go to: >>> http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpi-forum mailing list >>> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum >> >> ________________________________________________________________________ >> Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm >> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi-forum mailing list >> mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum > > -- > Pavan Balaji > http://www.mcs.anl.gov/~balaji > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum

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