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Re: [Mpi-forum] Process for chapter committee handling
by RICHARD GRAHAM 26 Feb '12

26 Feb '12

Rolf, All changes that go into the standard must be voted on by the whole forum. For ticket 0 items, this can be at the final chapter vote - it is really up to the chapter committees. Personally, as responsible for the ptp chapter, I plan to bring this forward one or two meetings before the final vote, so that there can be discussion by those that care a lot about detailed wording. Actually, I am going to be removing the ptp chapter ticket-0 items from the agenda for this meeting, and putting these into a single ticket, most likely to be handled at the following meeting - have been on foreign travel for 3 weeks, so have not had much time to work on this over the last month. I do not know if other chapter authors have similar intents. As for how each committee handles this, this is really up to them - we do not need to micro-manage how each group wants to operate. I have had people over the years (yes years) send me small changes, and plan to pull these together in the near future (not before the meeting next week), and then will send a note out to all the ptp chapter committee members asking for their comments/reviews/.... Rich > Date: Fri, 24 Feb 2012 23:32:18 +0100 > From: rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de > To: wgropp(a)uiuc.edu > CC: mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > Subject: [Mpi-forum] Process for chapter committee handling > > Bill, > > I would like to get your opinion about following process problem: > > http://meetings.mpi-forum.org/standardization_process_3.pdf > describes the two processes for > - "handled by the chapter committee", and > - handled by "formal reading plus two votes". > > The relation of our ticket-system to "formal reading plus two votes" > is self explaining. > > The way of ticket-0 (i.e., grammer, type, formatting) changes is also > clear: > - no ticket > - goes directly into approved > - will be read one meeting before chapter vote > (we will search for "ticket0" in the pdf) > - and is voted in by final chapter vote. > > If a ticket-0 content has already a ticket number, the typically > path may be: > - The chapter author takes the obvious content directly into > the approved source trunk as ticket-0, > - He adds a comment to the ticket that it is taken as ticket-0 > and already included into the approved trunk, > - and he withdraws the original ticket. > Of course, such a ticket should never been withdrawn > before the ticket content is taken into the approved trunk. > It can be handled also with the method described below for small corrections. > > How are small clarifications handled through our ticket system, > i.e., those clarifications that should keep there ticket number. > > Which is the process for those tickets "handled by the chapter committee"? > The current way of withdrawing and probably forgetting for ever > is not a good process. > > Should we add two additional values for priority: > - instead of Scheduled: > -- Scheduled (for forum) > -- Scheduled (for chapter committee) > - instead of Passed > -- Passed by forum > -- Passed by chapter committee > > Then we have a clear process with two possibilities > - Scheduled (for forum) > - Had 1st reading > - Had 1st vote > - Passed by forum > or > - Scheduled (for chapter committee) > - Passed by chapter committee > > Our rules at > http://meetings.mpi-forum.org/standardization_process_3.pdf > require that all changes not yet voted are read before the > meeting with the chapter-vote: > "All the minor and medium changes that have not been voted so far." > > Should we mark these tickets that are "handled by the chapter > committee" somehow that we can go through these tickets very simple, > e.g., with 0.275 instead of 275. > Then we need only look for all ticket0 to find ticket0 and ticket0.275. > > I.e., all tickets in status "Passed by chapter committee" > must have ticket 0.nnn numbers in the latex source. > > All other tickets have their original number in the latex source. > > What do you think about? > > Best regards > Rolf > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "William Gropp" <wgropp(a)illinois.edu> > > To: "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:23:56 PM > > Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Agenda corrections needed - Re: March MPI Forum meeting > > > > 275 is exactly the sort of thing better handled by the chapter > > committee (unintentionally included Complex with types allowed for > > Compare and Swap). > > > > Bill > > > -- > Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de > High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 > University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 > Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner > Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30) > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum

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Process for chapter committee handling
by Rolf Rabenseifner 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

Bill, I would like to get your opinion about following process problem: http://meetings.mpi-forum.org/standardization_process_3.pdf describes the two processes for - "handled by the chapter committee", and - handled by "formal reading plus two votes". The relation of our ticket-system to "formal reading plus two votes" is self explaining. The way of ticket-0 (i.e., grammer, type, formatting) changes is also clear: - no ticket - goes directly into approved - will be read one meeting before chapter vote (we will search for "ticket0" in the pdf) - and is voted in by final chapter vote. If a ticket-0 content has already a ticket number, the typically path may be: - The chapter author takes the obvious content directly into the approved source trunk as ticket-0, - He adds a comment to the ticket that it is taken as ticket-0 and already included into the approved trunk, - and he withdraws the original ticket. Of course, such a ticket should never been withdrawn before the ticket content is taken into the approved trunk. It can be handled also with the method described below for small corrections. How are small clarifications handled through our ticket system, i.e., those clarifications that should keep there ticket number. Which is the process for those tickets "handled by the chapter committee"? The current way of withdrawing and probably forgetting for ever is not a good process. Should we add two additional values for priority: - instead of Scheduled: -- Scheduled (for forum) -- Scheduled (for chapter committee) - instead of Passed -- Passed by forum -- Passed by chapter committee Then we have a clear process with two possibilities - Scheduled (for forum) - Had 1st reading - Had 1st vote - Passed by forum or - Scheduled (for chapter committee) - Passed by chapter committee Our rules at http://meetings.mpi-forum.org/standardization_process_3.pdf require that all changes not yet voted are read before the meeting with the chapter-vote: "All the minor and medium changes that have not been voted so far." Should we mark these tickets that are "handled by the chapter committee" somehow that we can go through these tickets very simple, e.g., with 0.275 instead of 275. Then we need only look for all ticket0 to find ticket0 and ticket0.275. I.e., all tickets in status "Passed by chapter committee" must have ticket 0.nnn numbers in the latex source. All other tickets have their original number in the latex source. What do you think about? Best regards Rolf ----- Original Message ----- > From: "William Gropp" <wgropp(a)illinois.edu> > To: "Main MPI Forum mailing list" <mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > Sent: Friday, February 24, 2012 8:23:56 PM > Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Agenda corrections needed - Re: March MPI Forum meeting > > 275 is exactly the sort of thing better handled by the chapter > committee (unintentionally included Complex with types allowed for > Compare and Swap). > > Bill -- Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30)

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Agenda corrections needed - Re: March MPI Forum meeting
by William Gropp 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

275 is exactly the sort of thing better handled by the chapter committee (unintentionally included Complex with types allowed for Compare and Swap). Bill On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:47 AM, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote: > Dear > Adam, Bill, Dave, Doug, Fab, Hubert, Jeff, Jim, Josh, Marc, Pavan, Rich, Rolf, Torsten, > > (you may be mentioned on several lines with several tickets) > > Many tickets on the agenda are not scheduled for the meeting > "Chicago 2012/03/05" or are not yet ready. > > > Tickets that may still need work before official formal reading: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Torsten Hoefler - 275 283 300 163 264 > Josh Hurshey - 276 > Adam Moody - 271 (comment 12 is not yet done) > Marc Snir - 310 311 > Jim Dinan - 305 > Hubert+Rolf - 196 (Rolf wants to make the MPI_OFFSET128 proposal) > Dave Goodell - 218 > Jeff Squyres - 159(should it go to MPI-next?), 302 > Pavan Balaji - 222 > Fab Tillier - 293, 304(should it go to MPI-next?) > > The responsibles should set the "Milestone" to "Chicago 2012/03/05" > in following tickets: > > VOTING > ------ > Jeff Squyres (as secretary) (or Rich) for all formal voting tickets: > - 272 298 308 309 284 280 168 299 > - Comment to Rich and Jeff: 272 - please check: > -- on ticket "Priority: Had 1st reading" > -- on agenda "2nd vote" > This does not fit together; what is correct? > > FORMAL READING > -------------- > Josh Hurshey - 276 > Marc Snir - 310 311 227 > Doug Miller - 217 > Adam Moody - 271 259 > Bill Gropp - 275 > Torsten Hoefler - 300 264 163 > Jeff Squyres - 159 > Pavan Balaji - 222 > Fab Tillier - 304 > Dave Goodell - 218 > > AGENDA (tickets that still need to go to the agenda) > ------ > Rich Graham - 264 317 322 > > I still try to keep an overview on what I should vote at the end > and therefore I found these inconsistencies. > I hope this is also some help for you. > > Best regards > Rolf > > > > -- > Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de > High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 > University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 > Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner > Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30) > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum William Gropp Director, Parallel Computing Institute Deputy Director for Research Institute for Advanced Computing Applications and Technologies Paul and Cynthia Saylor Professor of Computer Science University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Agenda corrections needed - Re: March MPI Forum meeting
by Jim Dinan 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

Hi Rolf, Rich, Tickets 286 and 305 are both ready for re-reading in Chicago. I'm hoping that the Forum will accept the updates as ticket 0 and proceed with a first vote (this was indicated by a straw vote at the last meeting). In addition, ticket 283 needs to be read. This is a short clarification to the RMA chapter; we should be able to squeeze it into my one-hour slot. ~Jim. On 2/24/12 8:47 AM, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote: > Dear > Adam, Bill, Dave, Doug, Fab, Hubert, Jeff, Jim, Josh, Marc, Pavan, Rich, Rolf, Torsten, > > (you may be mentioned on several lines with several tickets) > > Many tickets on the agenda are not scheduled for the meeting > "Chicago 2012/03/05" or are not yet ready. > > > Tickets that may still need work before official formal reading: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Torsten Hoefler - 275 283 300 163 264 > Josh Hurshey - 276 > Adam Moody - 271 (comment 12 is not yet done) > Marc Snir - 310 311 > Jim Dinan - 305 > Hubert+Rolf - 196 (Rolf wants to make the MPI_OFFSET128 proposal) > Dave Goodell - 218 > Jeff Squyres - 159(should it go to MPI-next?), 302 > Pavan Balaji - 222 > Fab Tillier - 293, 304(should it go to MPI-next?) > > The responsibles should set the "Milestone" to "Chicago 2012/03/05" > in following tickets: > > VOTING > ------ > Jeff Squyres (as secretary) (or Rich) for all formal voting tickets: > - 272 298 308 309 284 280 168 299 > - Comment to Rich and Jeff: 272 - please check: > -- on ticket "Priority: Had 1st reading" > -- on agenda "2nd vote" > This does not fit together; what is correct? > > FORMAL READING > -------------- > Josh Hurshey - 276 > Marc Snir - 310 311 227 > Doug Miller - 217 > Adam Moody - 271 259 > Bill Gropp - 275 > Torsten Hoefler - 300 264 163 > Jeff Squyres - 159 > Pavan Balaji - 222 > Fab Tillier - 304 > Dave Goodell - 218 > > AGENDA (tickets that still need to go to the agenda) > ------ > Rich Graham - 264 317 322 > > I still try to keep an overview on what I should vote at the end > and therefore I found these inconsistencies. > I hope this is also some help for you. > > Best regards > Rolf > > >

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Agenda corrections needed - Re: March MPI Forum meeting
by Fab Tillier 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

Rolf Rabenseifner wrote on Fri, 24 Feb 2012 at 06:47:09 > Dear Adam, Bill, Dave, Doug, Fab, Hubert, Jeff, Jim, Josh, Marc, Pavan, > Rich, Rolf, Torsten, > > (you may be mentioned on several lines with several tickets) > > Many tickets on the agenda are not scheduled for the meeting > "Chicago 2012/03/05" or are not yet ready. > > > Tickets that may still need work before official formal reading: > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > Fab Tillier - 293, 304(should it go to MPI-next?) 293 really should be handled by the chapter committee, as it doesn't affect the semantics of the example - it's almost the same level as whitespace changes IMO. I've attached a patch and PDF to the ticket for the changes - the ticket should now be assigned to the chapter committee so they can check in the changes. Note that I found a bug in the example, too, which I fixed (see the patch attached to the ticket). > FORMAL READING > -------------- > Fab Tillier - 304 304 is not ready and will have to wait until MPI-4.0 unless people really want to see this happen in MPI-3.0. Not impossible, just missed the window for this meeting. -Fab

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Re: [Mpi-forum] MPI-2.2 errata tickets - may be urgent
by Jeffrey Squyres 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

+1 on all that has been said. On Feb 17, 2012, at 12:33 PM, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote: > Rich and all Forum members, > > it looks like that the whole Forum forgot that there are also > MPI-2.2 errata tickets: > > https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/query?status=accepted&status=a… > > 1 is passed > 6 are waiting for reviews > 17 seems to need some work > > Who may volonteer to look at these 23 issues = bugs in the current MPI-2.2 > > As long as they are all ticket 0 they can be done in Japan. > > 5 tickets are "correction to the standard" and usually need > 1 reading + 2 vote meetings. > This means that some of these tickets are urgent in the sense > that they should be scheduled and read in the March meeting. > > The forum should be responsible to remove known bugs. > > Best regards > Rolf > > -- > Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de > High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 > University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 > Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner > Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30) > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Agenda corrections needed - Re: March MPI Forum meeting
by Jeffrey Squyres 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

On Feb 24, 2012, at 9:47 AM, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote: > Jeff Squyres - 159(should it go to MPI-next?), 302 159 should go to MPI-next; I haven't had a chance to work on it. It's not ready. > VOTING > ------ > Jeff Squyres (as secretary) (or Rich) for all formal voting tickets: > - 272 298 308 309 284 280 168 299 > - Comment to Rich and Jeff: 272 - please check: > -- on ticket "Priority: Had 1st reading" > -- on agenda "2nd vote" I believe it's "had 1st reading". > Jeff Squyres - 159 Remove this from the agenda; per above, it's not ready. -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Agenda corrections needed - Re: March MPI Forum meeting
by Dave Goodell 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

On Feb 24, 2012, at 8:47 AM CST, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote: > Dave Goodell - 218 This should be removed from the agenda. I have withdrawn it as a ticket. If we do any work on it, then we will do it in the chapter committee. -Dave

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Agenda corrections needed - Re: March MPI Forum meeting
by Rolf Rabenseifner 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

Dear Adam, Bill, Dave, Doug, Fab, Hubert, Jeff, Jim, Josh, Marc, Pavan, Rich, Rolf, Torsten, (you may be mentioned on several lines with several tickets) Many tickets on the agenda are not scheduled for the meeting "Chicago 2012/03/05" or are not yet ready. Tickets that may still need work before official formal reading: ---------------------------------------------------------------- Torsten Hoefler - 275 283 300 163 264 Josh Hurshey - 276 Adam Moody - 271 (comment 12 is not yet done) Marc Snir - 310 311 Jim Dinan - 305 Hubert+Rolf - 196 (Rolf wants to make the MPI_OFFSET128 proposal) Dave Goodell - 218 Jeff Squyres - 159(should it go to MPI-next?), 302 Pavan Balaji - 222 Fab Tillier - 293, 304(should it go to MPI-next?) The responsibles should set the "Milestone" to "Chicago 2012/03/05" in following tickets: VOTING ------ Jeff Squyres (as secretary) (or Rich) for all formal voting tickets: - 272 298 308 309 284 280 168 299 - Comment to Rich and Jeff: 272 - please check: -- on ticket "Priority: Had 1st reading" -- on agenda "2nd vote" This does not fit together; what is correct? FORMAL READING -------------- Josh Hurshey - 276 Marc Snir - 310 311 227 Doug Miller - 217 Adam Moody - 271 259 Bill Gropp - 275 Torsten Hoefler - 300 264 163 Jeff Squyres - 159 Pavan Balaji - 222 Fab Tillier - 304 Dave Goodell - 218 AGENDA (tickets that still need to go to the agenda) ------ Rich Graham - 264 317 322 I still try to keep an overview on what I should vote at the end and therefore I found these inconsistencies. I hope this is also some help for you. Best regards Rolf -- Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30)

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Re: [Mpi-forum] Agenda corrections needed - Re: March MPI Forum meeting
by Graham, Richard L. 24 Feb '12

24 Feb '12

Most of the requests updated. Rich On Feb 19, 2012, at 12:48 AM, Rolf Rabenseifner wrote: > Dear Forum members, > > because it is two weeks before the meeting, I would like to have > the agenda finalized. > > I would like to have the following changes. > I'm not sure whether Rich may add this to the agenda this weekend, > therefore please take this email as a formal notation of additional > tickets that should be handled in Chicago. > Because the changes are small, the time-slots should be still okay. > > - Please can you move existing #294 > -- from voting block Tuesday 10:30-11:30am > -- to reading block Tuesday 12:30-4:30pm > > - Please add > #196 Change MPI_OFFSET external32 size to 16 Bytes (Ritzdorf, Rabenseifner) > #264 Scalable Variants of vector collectives (Hï¿½fler, Siebert) > formal re-reading of small changes marked with 264.1 > to the block Tuesday 12:30-4:30pm > (Both should need only a few minutes because the changes are small) > > - At last meeting we tried to find people who proceed with tickets > with authors not coming to the meeting. > We put me on the list for #158 and #187, i.e. in the agenda: > -- Traeff/Rabenseifner #158 > -- Ritzdorf/rabenseifner #187 > > - On Monday, Jeff and the forum should be prepared for a short > formal vote for all ticket 0, therefore please subsitute > Tuesday 8:45-9:30am: > "Existing ticket 0 -" > by > "Existing ticket 0 (reading and vote) -" > > - Please put also > #321 MPI_WAIT/TEST language unclear about > non blocking I/O, Generalized, or collective requests. > into the ticket-0 list. > > - Please add (e.g. at the end of the agenda): > > "If there is time, formal reading of tickets > - Use of [] in output arrays ticket #125 > - Consistent use of [] for input arrays ticket #126 > - "same arguments" to MPI_Reduce ticket #218 " > > Best regards > Rolf > > > -- > Dr. Rolf Rabenseifner . . . . . . . . . .. email rabenseifner(a)hlrs.de > High Performance Computing Center (HLRS) . phone ++49(0)711/685-65530 > University of Stuttgart . . . . . . . . .. fax ++49(0)711 / 685-65832 > Head of Dpmt Parallel Computing . . . www.hlrs.de/people/rabenseifner > Nobelstr. 19, D-70550 Stuttgart, Germany . (Office: Allmandring 30) > > _______________________________________________ > mpi-forum mailing list > mpi-forum(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi-forum

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