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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Prefix of PMPI replacement interface
by Bland, Wesley 30 Sep '15

30 Sep '15

I don’t think that helps with the not sounds like an inside joke thing. > On Sep 30, 2015, at 10:59 AM, Dave Goodell (dgoodell) <dgoodell(a)cisco.com> wrote: > > On Sep 30, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Mohror, Kathryn <mohror1(a)llnl.gov> wrote: >> >> Or another idea: MPI_I for MPI Interception Interface? Or Introspection Interface? It kind of rolls off the tongue... for me anyway. MP Eye Eye. > > Sounds very nautical: "M P Aye Aye" ;-) > > -Dave > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Prefix of PMPI replacement interface
by Dave Goodell (dgoodell) 30 Sep '15

30 Sep '15

On Sep 30, 2015, at 9:51 AM, Mohror, Kathryn <mohror1(a)llnl.gov> wrote: > > Or another idea: MPI_I for MPI Interception Interface? Or Introspection Interface? It kind of rolls off the tongue... for me anyway. MP Eye Eye. Sounds very nautical: "M P Aye Aye" ;-) -Dave

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Prefix of PMPI replacement interface
by Mohror, Kathryn 30 Sep '15

30 Sep '15

I'd be okay with either "callback" or "hook" names for the interface. I suppose if I had to pick a preference, I'd go with "hook". The concept of "hook" seems more general to me than "callback". Then I'd choose the MPI_H prefix version over MPI_Hook, with the reason being the 32 character limit for function names in the MPI Standard. Or another idea: MPI_I for MPI Interception Interface? Or Introspection Interface? It kind of rolls off the tongue... for me anyway. MP Eye Eye. Kathryn _________________________________________________________________ Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://scalability.llnl.gov/ Scalability Team @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA > -----Original Message----- > From: mpiwg-tools [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Todd Gamblin > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 9:48 PM > To: mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > Subject: Re: [mpiwg-tools] Prefix of PMPI replacement interface > > FWIW, I agree with Marc-Andre. > > Would it be ridiculous to just call the new functionality "MPI Hooks", based > on what might be the most widely used similar interface, "malloc hooks"? > This gets at the callback aspect that Marc mentions, but I think it also makes it > pretty clear what it's for. > > Thoughts? Are the MPI_H or MPI_Hook_ prefixes taken? > > -Todd > > > > > On 9/29/15, 7:07 AM, "mpiwg-tools on behalf of Marc-Andre Hermanns" > <mpiwg-tools-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org on behalf of > hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > > >Dear all, > > > >currently the working title of the PMPI replacement interface is QMPI. > >While this is a nice homage to a system that I mostly enjoy working on, > >it feels to me more like an "inside joke" lacking obvious relation > >between name and function. Already the name PMPI was misleading, as it > >eventually was used for more than just "profiling". > > > >I would propose > > > >MPI_C_ > > > >as a basis for discussion. > > > >It blends in well with the new MPI_T API prefix and the C would stand > >for "Callback". Furthermore, it describes what it _is_ rather that > >being presumptuous about what you do with it or who it is for (tools, > >ft, etc.). > > > >What do you think? Do you have other ideas? > > > >I know, a concrete name is not the most pressing issue we need to > >attend in this context, yet, in my experiences naming discussions take > >a long time, thus if we start this now, me might come to consensus by > >the time we have the rest of the API fleshed out. ;-) > > > >Cheers, > >Marc-Andre > > > >-- > >Marc-Andre Hermanns > >Jülich Aachen Research Alliance, > >High Performance Computing (JARA-HPC) > >Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) > > > >Schinkelstrasse 2 > >52062 Aachen > >Germany > > > >Phone: +49 2461 61 2509 | +49 241 80 24897 > >Fax: +49 2461 80 6 99753 > >www.jara.org/jara-hpc > >email: hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Prefix of PMPI replacement interface
by Todd Gamblin 29 Sep '15

29 Sep '15

FWIW, I agree with Marc-Andre. Would it be ridiculous to just call the new functionality "MPI Hooks", based on what might be the most widely used similar interface, "malloc hooks"? This gets at the callback aspect that Marc mentions, but I think it also makes it pretty clear what it's for. Thoughts? Are the MPI_H or MPI_Hook_ prefixes taken? -Todd On 9/29/15, 7:07 AM, "mpiwg-tools on behalf of Marc-Andre Hermanns" <mpiwg-tools-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org on behalf of hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: >Dear all, > >currently the working title of the PMPI replacement interface is QMPI. >While this is a nice homage to a system that I mostly enjoy working >on, it feels to me more like an "inside joke" lacking obvious relation >between name and function. Already the name PMPI was misleading, as it >eventually was used for more than just "profiling". > >I would propose > >MPI_C_ > >as a basis for discussion. > >It blends in well with the new MPI_T API prefix and the C would stand >for "Callback". Furthermore, it describes what it _is_ rather that >being presumptuous about what you do with it or who it is for (tools, >ft, etc.). > >What do you think? Do you have other ideas? > >I know, a concrete name is not the most pressing issue we need to >attend in this context, yet, in my experiences naming discussions take >a long time, thus if we start this now, me might come to consensus by >the time we have the rest of the API fleshed out. ;-) > >Cheers, >Marc-Andre > >-- >Marc-Andre Hermanns >Jülich Aachen Research Alliance, >High Performance Computing (JARA-HPC) >Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) > >Schinkelstrasse 2 >52062 Aachen >Germany > >Phone: +49 2461 61 2509 | +49 241 80 24897 >Fax: +49 2461 80 6 99753 >www.jara.org/jara-hpc >email: hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de >

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Moving to Github
by Nathan Hjelm 29 Sep '15

29 Sep '15

Can you add me as well. hjelmn On Sep 29, 2015, at 09:21 AM, "Mohror, Kathryn" <mohror1(a)llnl.gov> wrote: Done. Kathryn _________________________________________________________________ Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://scalability.llnl.gov/ Scalability Team @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA -----Original Message----- From: mpiwg-tools [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:22 AM To: MPI Tool WG Subject: Re: [mpiwg-tools] Moving to Github Can you add me to the mpiwg-tools org? My github ID is jsquyres. > On Sep 29, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Marc-Andre Hermanns <hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > > Dear all, > > in Bordeaux we (the members of the Forum attending the meeting) > decided to move from Trac to Github. > > The MPI Forum will be present at: > > https://github.com/mpi-forum/ > > while we also have our own "sub-organization" at: > > https://github.com/mpiwg-tools/ > > Kathryn and I will move the wiki we started at Bitbucket to Github in > the next days. We will let you know when we are done. > > Cheers, > Marc-Andre > > -- > Marc-Andre Hermanns > Jülich Aachen Research Alliance, > High Performance Computing (JARA-HPC) > Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) > > Schinkelstrasse 2 > 52062 Aachen > Germany > > Phone: +49 2461 61 2509 | +49 241 80 24897 > Fax: +49 2461 80 6 99753 > http://www.jara.org/jara-hpc > email: hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ _______________________________________________ mpiwg-tools mailing list mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools _______________________________________________ mpiwg-tools mailing list mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Moving to Github
by Mohror, Kathryn 29 Sep '15

29 Sep '15

Done. Kathryn _________________________________________________________________ Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://scalability.llnl.gov/ Scalability Team @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA > -----Original Message----- > From: mpiwg-tools [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) > Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2015 7:22 AM > To: MPI Tool WG > Subject: Re: [mpiwg-tools] Moving to Github > > Can you add me to the mpiwg-tools org? My github ID is jsquyres. > > > > On Sep 29, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Marc-Andre Hermanns > <hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > > > > Dear all, > > > > in Bordeaux we (the members of the Forum attending the meeting) > > decided to move from Trac to Github. > > > > The MPI Forum will be present at: > > > > https://github.com/mpi-forum/ > > > > while we also have our own "sub-organization" at: > > > > https://github.com/mpiwg-tools/ > > > > Kathryn and I will move the wiki we started at Bitbucket to Github in > > the next days. We will let you know when we are done. > > > > Cheers, > > Marc-Andre > > > > -- > > Marc-Andre Hermanns > > Jülich Aachen Research Alliance, > > High Performance Computing (JARA-HPC) > > Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) > > > > Schinkelstrasse 2 > > 52062 Aachen > > Germany > > > > Phone: +49 2461 61 2509 | +49 241 80 24897 > > Fax: +49 2461 80 6 99753 > > www.jara.org/jara-hpc > > email: hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpiwg-tools mailing list > > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools > > > -- > Jeff Squyres > jsquyres(a)cisco.com > For corporate legal information go to: > http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Moving to Github
by Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) 29 Sep '15

29 Sep '15

Can you add me to the mpiwg-tools org? My github ID is jsquyres. > On Sep 29, 2015, at 10:18 AM, Marc-Andre Hermanns <hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de> wrote: > > Dear all, > > in Bordeaux we (the members of the Forum attending the meeting) > decided to move from Trac to Github. > > The MPI Forum will be present at: > > https://github.com/mpi-forum/ > > while we also have our own "sub-organization" at: > > https://github.com/mpiwg-tools/ > > Kathryn and I will move the wiki we started at Bitbucket to Github in > the next days. We will let you know when we are done. > > Cheers, > Marc-Andre > > -- > Marc-Andre Hermanns > Jülich Aachen Research Alliance, > High Performance Computing (JARA-HPC) > Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) > > Schinkelstrasse 2 > 52062 Aachen > Germany > > Phone: +49 2461 61 2509 | +49 241 80 24897 > Fax: +49 2461 80 6 99753 > www.jara.org/jara-hpc > email: hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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Moving to Github
by Marc-Andre Hermanns 29 Sep '15

29 Sep '15

Dear all, in Bordeaux we (the members of the Forum attending the meeting) decided to move from Trac to Github. The MPI Forum will be present at: https://github.com/mpi-forum/ while we also have our own "sub-organization" at: https://github.com/mpiwg-tools/ Kathryn and I will move the wiki we started at Bitbucket to Github in the next days. We will let you know when we are done. Cheers, Marc-Andre -- Marc-Andre Hermanns Jülich Aachen Research Alliance, High Performance Computing (JARA-HPC) Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Schinkelstrasse 2 52062 Aachen Germany Phone: +49 2461 61 2509 | +49 241 80 24897 Fax: +49 2461 80 6 99753 www.jara.org/jara-hpc email: hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de

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Prefix of PMPI replacement interface
by Marc-Andre Hermanns 29 Sep '15

29 Sep '15

Dear all, currently the working title of the PMPI replacement interface is QMPI. While this is a nice homage to a system that I mostly enjoy working on, it feels to me more like an "inside joke" lacking obvious relation between name and function. Already the name PMPI was misleading, as it eventually was used for more than just "profiling". I would propose MPI_C_ as a basis for discussion. It blends in well with the new MPI_T API prefix and the C would stand for "Callback". Furthermore, it describes what it _is_ rather that being presumptuous about what you do with it or who it is for (tools, ft, etc.). What do you think? Do you have other ideas? I know, a concrete name is not the most pressing issue we need to attend in this context, yet, in my experiences naming discussions take a long time, thus if we start this now, me might come to consensus by the time we have the rest of the API fleshed out. ;-) Cheers, Marc-Andre -- Marc-Andre Hermanns Jülich Aachen Research Alliance, High Performance Computing (JARA-HPC) Jülich Supercomputing Centre (JSC) Schinkelstrasse 2 52062 Aachen Germany Phone: +49 2461 61 2509 | +49 241 80 24897 Fax: +49 2461 80 6 99753 www.jara.org/jara-hpc email: hermanns(a)jara.rwth-aachen.de

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Phone Dial in for WG meeting (Friday)
by Mohror, Kathryn 25 Sep '15

25 Sep '15

No problem. I'll dial in in 30 minutes or so. Kathryn _________________________________________________________________ Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://scalability.llnl.gov/ Scalability Team @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA > -----Original Message----- > From: mpiwg-tools [mailto:[email protected]] On > Behalf Of Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) > Sent: Friday, September 25, 2015 5:16 AM > To: MPI Tool WG > Subject: Re: [mpiwg-tools] Phone Dial in for WG meeting (Friday) > > Meh -- we've still got a little plenary left to do here after lunch. > > Martin estimates we'll start the Tools WG session in ~30 mins. > > > > On Sep 25, 2015, at 2:13 PM, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) <jsquyres(a)cisco.com> > wrote: > > > > We just got back. I'll join the webex now... > > > > > > > >> On Sep 25, 2015, at 2:05 PM, Mohror, Kathryn <mohror1(a)llnl.gov> wrote: > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> > >> > >> I’m up for joining. I think the schedule says you are starting now? I know > you said you may be running ahead or behind, though. > >> > >> > >> > >> In any case, the webex link on the agenda page does not work. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> Kathryn > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > __________________________________________________________ > _______ > >> > >> Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://scalability.llnl.gov/ > >> > >> Scalability Team @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, > CA, USA > >> > >> > >> > >> From: mpiwg-tools [mailto:[email protected]] > On Behalf Of Schulz, Martin > >> Sent: Thursday, September 24, 2015 4:50 PM > >> To: mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > >> Subject: [mpiwg-tools] Phone Dial in for WG meeting (Friday) > >> > >> > >> > >> Hi all, > >> > >> > >> > >> Please let me and Marc-Andre know if you are interested in and planning > on dialing in for the WG face to face meeting Friday afternoon in Bordeaux. > We’ll havehoped, but the exact time may slip a bit backwards depending on > what happens with the plenaries in the morning. > >> > >> > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> > >> > >> Martin > >> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> mpiwg-tools mailing list > >> mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools > > > > > > -- > > Jeff Squyres > > jsquyres(a)cisco.com > > For corporate legal information go to: > http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > > > > _______________________________________________ > > mpiwg-tools mailing list > > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools > > > -- > Jeff Squyres > jsquyres(a)cisco.com > For corporate legal information go to: > http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools

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