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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Working group call tomorrow
by Kathryn Mohror 31 Oct '13

31 Oct '13

Oops, fixed. Kathryn On Oct 31, 2013, at 10:19 AM, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) <jsquyres(a)cisco.com> wrote: > Kathryn -- > > You attached an older copy of my slides. Could you attach the one that I sent this morning? > > Thanks. > > > > On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Kathryn Mohror <kathryn(a)llnl.gov> wrote: > >> Hello everybody, >> >> I put the notes from today's meeting on the wiki: >> >> https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/MPI3Tools/notes-2013-10-31 >> >> Kathryn >> >> On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Kathryn Mohror <kathryn(a)llnl.gov> wrote: >> >>> Hi all, >>> >>> We'll have our regularly scheduled working group call tomorrow at 8AM PDT, 11AM EDT. As usual, the call in information is on the wiki: >>> https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/MPI3Tools >>> >>> We'll talk about a few tickets, in particular #377 and #384 and possibly a couple others. >>> >>> Talk to you tomorrow! >>> Kathryn >>> ______________________________________________________________ >>> Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 >>> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpiwg-tools mailing list >>> mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools >> >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 >> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpiwg-tools mailing list >> mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools > > > -- > Jeff Squyres > jsquyres(a)cisco.com > For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools ______________________________________________________________ Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Working group call tomorrow
by Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) 31 Oct '13

31 Oct '13

Kathryn -- You attached an older copy of my slides. Could you attach the one that I sent this morning? Thanks. On Oct 31, 2013, at 12:54 PM, Kathryn Mohror <kathryn(a)llnl.gov> wrote: > Hello everybody, > > I put the notes from today's meeting on the wiki: > > https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/MPI3Tools/notes-2013-10-31 > > Kathryn > > On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Kathryn Mohror <kathryn(a)llnl.gov> wrote: > >> Hi all, >> >> We'll have our regularly scheduled working group call tomorrow at 8AM PDT, 11AM EDT. As usual, the call in information is on the wiki: >> https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/MPI3Tools >> >> We'll talk about a few tickets, in particular #377 and #384 and possibly a couple others. >> >> Talk to you tomorrow! >> Kathryn >> ______________________________________________________________ >> Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 >> CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpiwg-tools mailing list >> mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools > > ______________________________________________________________ > Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 > CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Working group call tomorrow
by Kathryn Mohror 31 Oct '13

31 Oct '13

Hello everybody, I put the notes from today's meeting on the wiki: https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/MPI3Tools/notes-2013-10-31 Kathryn On Oct 30, 2013, at 2:09 PM, Kathryn Mohror <kathryn(a)llnl.gov> wrote: > Hi all, > > We'll have our regularly scheduled working group call tomorrow at 8AM PDT, 11AM EDT. As usual, the call in information is on the wiki: > https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/MPI3Tools > > We'll talk about a few tickets, in particular #377 and #384 and possibly a couple others. > > Talk to you tomorrow! > Kathryn > ______________________________________________________________ > Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 > CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools ______________________________________________________________ Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Slides to discuss today
by Kathryn Mohror 31 Oct '13

31 Oct '13

Hi all, Here are some more slides for today's call. Todd will talk about PIG after we finish up with the tickets. Kathryn On Oct 31, 2013, at 6:52 AM, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) <jsquyres(a)cisco.com> wrote: > These are a few slides I'd like to talk through today on the call. > > -- > Jeff Squyres > jsquyres(a)cisco.com > For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/ > <varForMultipleDevs-2.pptx>_______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools ______________________________________________________________ Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA

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Slides to discuss today
by Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) 31 Oct '13

31 Oct '13

These are a few slides I'd like to talk through today on the call. -- Jeff Squyres jsquyres(a)cisco.com For corporate legal information go to: http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/legal/cri/

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Working group call tomorrow
by Kathryn Mohror 30 Oct '13

30 Oct '13

Sounds good! Kathryn On Oct 30, 2013, at 7:35 PM, Junchao Zhang <jczhang(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > Hello, Kathryn, > It happens I'm available tomorrow and I wish to join the telecon. > Thanks. > > > --Junchao Zhang > > > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Kathryn Mohror <kathryn(a)llnl.gov> wrote: > Hi all, > > We'll have our regularly scheduled working group call tomorrow at 8AM PDT, 11AM EDT. As usual, the call in information is on the wiki: > https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/MPI3Tools > > We'll talk about a few tickets, in particular #377 and #384 and possibly a couple others. > > Talk to you tomorrow! > Kathryn > ______________________________________________________________ > Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 > CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools ______________________________________________________________ Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] Working group call tomorrow
by Junchao Zhang 30 Oct '13

30 Oct '13

Hello, Kathryn, It happens I'm available tomorrow and I wish to join the telecon. Thanks. --Junchao Zhang On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM, Kathryn Mohror <kathryn(a)llnl.gov> wrote: > Hi all, > > We'll have our regularly scheduled working group call tomorrow at 8AM PDT, > 11AM EDT. As usual, the call in information is on the wiki: > https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/MPI3Tools > > We'll talk about a few tickets, in particular #377 and #384 and possibly a > couple others. > > Talk to you tomorrow! > Kathryn > ______________________________________________________________ > Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 > CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools >

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Working group call tomorrow
by Kathryn Mohror 30 Oct '13

30 Oct '13

Hi all, We'll have our regularly scheduled working group call tomorrow at 8AM PDT, 11AM EDT. As usual, the call in information is on the wiki: https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/MPI3Tools We'll talk about a few tickets, in particular #377 and #384 and possibly a couple others. Talk to you tomorrow! Kathryn ______________________________________________________________ Kathryn Mohror, kathryn(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/mohror1 CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, CA, USA

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] cvar / pvar names
by Schulz, Martin 30 Oct '13

30 Oct '13

Hi Junchao, I fully agree with Bill - think of MPI_T not as PAPI, but as perfctr below PAPI (with the same pros/cons). I am actually hoping that we not only do something similar to PAPI at some point, but we'll actually implement an MPI_T PAPI module, which would make all MPI_T variables instantly accessible to a wide range of tools. I had talked to the PAPI group about this a while ago while we wrote MPI_T and we should probably restart that effort. Martin On Oct 29, 2013, at 2:16 PM, William Gropp <wgropp(a)illinois.edu> wrote: > These might emerge (as they did for PAPI - counters existed long before PAPI). However, implementations are likely to have many different variables. And a problem faced by PAPI uses is even though the names might be the same, then meanings are not always exactly the same. > > Portability is also not as big a problem. There just aren't that many distinct MPI implementations. > > Bill > > William Gropp > Director, Parallel Computing Institute > Deputy Director for Research > Institute for Advanced Computing Applications and Technologies > Thomas M. Siebel Chair in Computer Science > University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign > > > > > On Oct 29, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Junchao Zhang wrote: > >> MPI_T depends on cvar/pvar names to locate variables. The spec says names are implementation specific. Then, how to make portable tools? >> If MPI_T is an analog of PAPI, PAPI has standard event names, though not all are available on all CPUs. >> Do we need an agreement on names of common variables? >> >> Any comments? >> >> --Junchao Zhang >> _______________________________________________ >> mpiwg-tools mailing list >> mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools ________________________________________________________________________ Martin Schulz, schulzm(a)llnl.gov, http://people.llnl.gov/schulzm CASC @ Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory, Livermore, USA

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Re: [mpiwg-tools] cvar / pvar names
by William Gropp 29 Oct '13

29 Oct '13

These might emerge (as they did for PAPI - counters existed long before PAPI). However, implementations are likely to have many different variables. And a problem faced by PAPI uses is even though the names might be the same, then meanings are not always exactly the same. Portability is also not as big a problem. There just aren't that many distinct MPI implementations. Bill William Gropp Director, Parallel Computing Institute Deputy Director for Research Institute for Advanced Computing Applications and Technologies Thomas M. Siebel Chair in Computer Science University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign On Oct 29, 2013, at 2:11 PM, Junchao Zhang wrote: > MPI_T depends on cvar/pvar names to locate variables. The spec says names are implementation specific. Then, how to make portable tools? > If MPI_T is an analog of PAPI, PAPI has standard event names, though not all are available on all CPUs. > Do we need an agreement on names of common variables? > > Any comments? > > --Junchao Zhang > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-tools mailing list > mpiwg-tools(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpiwg-tools

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