Hi Martin,
I think the slides are too full. Maybe I am missing what the BoF session is for. Am I correct that it is meant to reach out beyond the Forum?
I think it is best to have the user relate the info to his own experience. That's why in my proposal I just wrote "it like PAPI just for 'Software Counters' and with read--write access". A single sentence and whoever is listening should have a clear view on what we want to accomplish. If we directly want comments on the internals, people have to read the draft first anyway.
Also. I would not cite the direct link to the drafts. People will not be able to memorize the whole url, so I think the critical info is: svn.mpi-forum.org and "Tools WG". Then, I would place a link to each draft prominently on the beginning of the page (maybe below "List of …")
Cheers,
Marc-Andre
PS: As a pure Web-Document afterwards it is ok. Just for the presentation I don't think anyone will be able to follow.
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Hi all,
It took me a while to get back to it, but here is a new version of
the slides for the MPI BoF. Note that slides 3,5 and 6 are hidden
and only for the web version.
I hope this includes most/all of the suggestions - let me know
if you have any further comments (we need to wrap this up
very soon, though).
Thanks,
Martin
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Hi all,
sorry. My last mail had an outdated attachment. Please ignore the last mail, and take this set of slides.
Cheers,
Marc-Andre
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Hi all,
I know Martin wanted to work on the slides, but after our discussion
yesterday, I could not help myself working on it as well.
I tried to boil it down to the most important info. And I am confident
that we can reduce it even more, but maybe this will work as a basis.
Cheers,
Marc-Andre
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Here's a few suggestions along the lines of what Bronis suggested (view in the slideshow mode to see them). I only had time to do the first slide.
On Oct 29, 2010, at 8:12 PM, Martin Schulz wrote:
> Hi Bronis, all,
>
> Thanks for the feedback - I have to admit, though, I have
> no idea how to represent this graphically in a useful way.
> If anyone has suggestions, please feel free to draft
> something. Also, Rich limited each WG to 2-3 slides, so
> adding two more full slides wouldn't work. It would have
> to be sketches on the current slides.
>
> The other points, that this presentation needs to be more
> targeted towards the SC audience and be more technical
> is certainly right. I have attached a modified version - I will
> ask Rich for a few more days, so that we can discuss this
> a bit more (incl. on Monday's TelCon).
>
> Thanks,
>
> Martin
>
> <2010-11-mpi3-toolswg-status-sc.pptx>
> On Oct 27, 2010, at 4:45 AM, Bronis R. de Supinski wrote:
>
>>
>> Martin:
>>
>> Re:
>>> As some/most of you have probably seen, Rich asked for 2-3
>>> slide overview/status update from each WG for his presentation
>>> on the MPI-3 efforts during the SC MPI BoF. Attached is a first
>>> draft for our activities in the tools WG. Please let me know if
>>> have any comments or suggestions. Rich needs this by Friday,
>>> so please answer as soon as possible.
>>
>> At a high level, these slides are rather dry. I have
>> found the BoF presentations to be somewhat boring in
>> the past and these slides won't change that. I think
>> it would be good to have two more slides that graphically
>> illustrate the main thrusts. The first could show how
>> MPIT will work (and, at least to some extent, what it
>> is good for). The second could illustrate the MPIR
>> acquisition interface and why we need to extend it
>> before we incorporate it into the standard.
>>
>> At a slightly lower level, what these slides are missing
>> is related to what you need to show graphically. You
>> say MPIR is not ideal but you provide nothing that
>> backs up that statement other than "has scalability
>> problems". I think you need to show it has those problems
>> and you need to state that it cannot support dynamic
>> processes (and that one can expect dynamic processes
>> will become important to fault tolerance so they are
>> likely to be used in the future even if they are not
>> today). Similarly, you don't give any real feel for
>> what MPIT is or how one would use it and why. Covering
>> those issues are of much more interest to a general
>> audience than a status report on something they
>> do not know enough about to evaluate.
>>
>> Bronis
>>
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