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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-ui] [Kbase-devel] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Neal Conrad 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

Oh, sorry.... yes, here: http://www.patricbrc.org/portal/portal/patric/CompPathwayTable?cType=taxon&… I think it's just silly. -Neal On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:12 PM, Robert Olson wrote: > Do you have a concrete example of where PATRIC has problems with this? > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Neal Conrad wrote: > >> >> On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Stephen Chan wrote: >> >>> I'm with the "stick with the kbase.us look for now" camp. We have >>> enough work ahead of us without a design exercise and then a restyle >>> of existing apps. >> >> This sounds like a reasonable approach to me, especially for the Feb demos. However, I am a little concerned about making the model viewer fit comfortably in 960px-width, centered space in the short, and, more importantly, in the long run. Currently, the module viewer takes more a full-browser layout approach, similar to apps like the KBase narrative, Galaxy, Grooveshark, NPR, etc,..., as opposed to applications that are "skinned" or have a website feel (Patric comes to mind). I personally believe the the latter is not a good layout design in the long run, particularly when viewing large tables of data, diagrams, and so fourth. I think you can see that downfall in Patric. >> >> Note: I don't claim to have short term solution for this, it's just something I've been thinking about. >> >> -Neal >> >> >> >> >> >> >>> >>> It sounds like what people like the most from bootstrap is the CSS >>> templating features. Its easy to get the milk without buying the cow >>> on this one - LessCSS is distinct from bootstrap. There are also other >>> alternatives like Compass (SASS under the covers). That is a bit of >>> religious war though, so I'll leave that to CSS combatants. In any >>> case, lets just use a CSS template if that is what we want, and not >>> bring in a whole framework. >>> >>> From personal experience, JQuery has a *huge* developer base >>> creating lots of very useful ui components, its like CPAN for browser >>> doohickeys. I think it would be a huge mistake to give it up. JQuery >>> is also a really powerful and expressive framework, but I can't >>> compare it to bootstrap. >>> >>> Steve >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >>>> whoops, sorry, that was Bob that suggested we start with the kbase.us look. >>>> I should have said I agree with Bob on that. >>>> -Annette >>>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Daniel Gunter wrote: >>>> >>>> Hi folks, >>>> >>>> If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some >>>> description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when would >>>> that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an acceptable >>>> answer :-) >>>> >>>> -Dan >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <olson(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: >>>>> >>>>> Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current kbase.us >>>>> and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth >>>>> transition from the static website to the live tools. >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how >>>>>> UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't >>>>>> think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. >>>>>> >>>>>> Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the >>>>>> JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone >>>>>> object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? >>>>>> >>>>>> We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase >>>>>> Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are >>>>>> deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged >>>>>> functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of >>>>>> Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me >>>>>> otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look >>>>>> and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? >>>>>> >>>>>> Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can >>>>>> identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. >>>>>> >>>>>> Adam >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry >>>>>> <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first >>>>>>> thing we did? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for >>>>>>> the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the demo. >>>>>>> We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do need to >>>>>>> have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. Like it >>>>>>> or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain extent… >>>>>>> Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This is one >>>>>>> reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce >>>>>>> *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure if >>>>>>> that's in the plan at the moment. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and >>>>>>> standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase demo >>>>>>> have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely jarring >>>>>>> our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start to >>>>>>> emerge. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Chris >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we >>>>>>>> were told that the work was going to focus on code development and we should >>>>>>>> let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the look and >>>>>>>> feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the >>>>>>>> narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. The UI >>>>>>>> design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) thus far. >>>>>>>> For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, neutral >>>>>>>> theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from the look. >>>>>>>> I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer for >>>>>>>> developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse >>>>>>>> strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -Annette >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being >>>>>>>>> worked on in sub-groups already. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx >>>>>>>>> team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things (e.g., the >>>>>>>>> recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're also >>>>>>>>> gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting more, as I get >>>>>>>>> useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end up >>>>>>>>> evolving over time. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, then a >>>>>>>>> custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using the >>>>>>>>> smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel of where >>>>>>>>> the narrative is. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of a >>>>>>>>> show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define stuff. Or >>>>>>>>> maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that I'm very >>>>>>>>> strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or colors we >>>>>>>>> end up with, for example. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid >>>>>>>>> <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a >>>>>>>>> brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look and feel. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic >>>>>>>>> identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would include choice >>>>>>>>> of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. >>>>>>>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. >>>>>>>>> Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a standard CSS >>>>>>>>> document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in >>>>>>>>> participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago for the >>>>>>>>> build week)? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: >>>>>>>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ >>>>>>>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ >>>>>>>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> ~ Scott >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>>>>>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>>> -Jim Thomason... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, >>>>>>>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory >>>>>>>>> http://www.warelab.org/ >>>>>>>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>>>>>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> Annette Greiner >>>>>>>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >>>>>>>> NERSC, LBNL >>>>>>>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >>>>>>>> 510-495-2935 >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Kbase-devel mailing list >>>>>>>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Microbe mailing list >>>>>>> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Adam Paul Arkin >>>>>> Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair >>>>>> ------------------------------------- >>>>>> Director, Physical Biosciences Division >>>>>> E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >>>>>> >>>>>> Professor, Department of Bioengineering >>>>>> University of California >>>>>> Berkeley, CA, 94720 >>>>>> >>>>>> Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, >>>>>> http://synbio.berkeley.edu >>>>>> PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and >>>>>> Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov >>>>>> Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, >>>>>> http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org >>>>>> >>>>>> Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) >>>>>> Mailing address: >>>>>> E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >>>>>> 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L >>>>>> Berkeley, CA 94720 >>>>>> >>>>>> Contact: >>>>>> W: http://genomics.lbl.gov >>>>>> V: 510-495-2366 >>>>>> C: 510-206-1389 >>>>>> F: 510-486-6219 >>>>>> >>>>>> Assistant: >>>>>> Gwyneth A. Terry >>>>>> V: 510-495-2116 >>>>>> E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov >>>>>> ------------------------------------- >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> {name:"Dan Gunter", institution:"LBNL", web:"http://acs.lbl.gov/~dang/"} >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Annette Greiner >>>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >>>> NERSC, LBNL >>>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >>>> 510-495-2935 >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Kbase-devel mailing list >>>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >>>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kbase-devel mailing list >>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kbase-ui mailing list >> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >

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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-ui] [Kbase-devel] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Robert Olson 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

Do you have a concrete example of where PATRIC has problems with this? On Nov 20, 2012, at 1:10 PM, Neal Conrad wrote: > > On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Stephen Chan wrote: > >> I'm with the "stick with the kbase.us look for now" camp. We have >> enough work ahead of us without a design exercise and then a restyle >> of existing apps. > > This sounds like a reasonable approach to me, especially for the Feb demos. However, I am a little concerned about making the model viewer fit comfortably in 960px-width, centered space in the short, and, more importantly, in the long run. Currently, the module viewer takes more a full-browser layout approach, similar to apps like the KBase narrative, Galaxy, Grooveshark, NPR, etc,..., as opposed to applications that are "skinned" or have a website feel (Patric comes to mind). I personally believe the the latter is not a good layout design in the long run, particularly when viewing large tables of data, diagrams, and so fourth. I think you can see that downfall in Patric. > > Note: I don't claim to have short term solution for this, it's just something I've been thinking about. > > -Neal > > > > > > >> >> It sounds like what people like the most from bootstrap is the CSS >> templating features. Its easy to get the milk without buying the cow >> on this one - LessCSS is distinct from bootstrap. There are also other >> alternatives like Compass (SASS under the covers). That is a bit of >> religious war though, so I'll leave that to CSS combatants. In any >> case, lets just use a CSS template if that is what we want, and not >> bring in a whole framework. >> >> From personal experience, JQuery has a *huge* developer base >> creating lots of very useful ui components, its like CPAN for browser >> doohickeys. I think it would be a huge mistake to give it up. JQuery >> is also a really powerful and expressive framework, but I can't >> compare it to bootstrap. >> >> Steve >> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >>> whoops, sorry, that was Bob that suggested we start with the kbase.us look. >>> I should have said I agree with Bob on that. >>> -Annette >>> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Daniel Gunter wrote: >>> >>> Hi folks, >>> >>> If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some >>> description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when would >>> that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an acceptable >>> answer :-) >>> >>> -Dan >>> >>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <olson(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: >>>> >>>> Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current kbase.us >>>> and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth >>>> transition from the static website to the live tools. >>>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how >>>>> UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't >>>>> think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. >>>>> >>>>> Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the >>>>> JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone >>>>> object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? >>>>> >>>>> We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase >>>>> Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are >>>>> deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged >>>>> functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of >>>>> Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me >>>>> otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look >>>>> and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? >>>>> >>>>> Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can >>>>> identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. >>>>> >>>>> Adam >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry >>>>> <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first >>>>>> thing we did? >>>>>> >>>>>> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for >>>>>> the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the demo. >>>>>> We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do need to >>>>>> have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. Like it >>>>>> or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain extent… >>>>>> Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This is one >>>>>> reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce >>>>>> *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure if >>>>>> that's in the plan at the moment. >>>>>> >>>>>> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and >>>>>> standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase demo >>>>>> have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely jarring >>>>>> our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start to >>>>>> emerge. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Chris >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we >>>>>>> were told that the work was going to focus on code development and we should >>>>>>> let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the look and >>>>>>> feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the >>>>>>> narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. The UI >>>>>>> design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) thus far. >>>>>>> For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, neutral >>>>>>> theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from the look. >>>>>>> I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer for >>>>>>> developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse >>>>>>> strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -Annette >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being >>>>>>>> worked on in sub-groups already. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx >>>>>>>> team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things (e.g., the >>>>>>>> recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're also >>>>>>>> gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting more, as I get >>>>>>>> useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end up >>>>>>>> evolving over time. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, then a >>>>>>>> custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using the >>>>>>>> smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel of where >>>>>>>> the narrative is. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of a >>>>>>>> show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define stuff. Or >>>>>>>> maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that I'm very >>>>>>>> strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or colors we >>>>>>>> end up with, for example. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid >>>>>>>> <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a >>>>>>>> brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look and feel. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic >>>>>>>> identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would include choice >>>>>>>> of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. >>>>>>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. >>>>>>>> Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a standard CSS >>>>>>>> document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in >>>>>>>> participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago for the >>>>>>>> build week)? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: >>>>>>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ >>>>>>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ >>>>>>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> ~ Scott >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>>>>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> -- >>>>>>>> -Jim Thomason... >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, >>>>>>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory >>>>>>>> http://www.warelab.org/ >>>>>>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>>>>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Annette Greiner >>>>>>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >>>>>>> NERSC, LBNL >>>>>>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >>>>>>> 510-495-2935 >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Kbase-devel mailing list >>>>>>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Microbe mailing list >>>>>> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Adam Paul Arkin >>>>> Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair >>>>> ------------------------------------- >>>>> Director, Physical Biosciences Division >>>>> E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >>>>> >>>>> Professor, Department of Bioengineering >>>>> University of California >>>>> Berkeley, CA, 94720 >>>>> >>>>> Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, >>>>> http://synbio.berkeley.edu >>>>> PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and >>>>> Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov >>>>> Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, >>>>> http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org >>>>> >>>>> Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) >>>>> Mailing address: >>>>> E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >>>>> 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L >>>>> Berkeley, CA 94720 >>>>> >>>>> Contact: >>>>> W: http://genomics.lbl.gov >>>>> V: 510-495-2366 >>>>> C: 510-206-1389 >>>>> F: 510-486-6219 >>>>> >>>>> Assistant: >>>>> Gwyneth A. Terry >>>>> V: 510-495-2116 >>>>> E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov >>>>> ------------------------------------- >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> {name:"Dan Gunter", institution:"LBNL", web:"http://acs.lbl.gov/~dang/"} >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Annette Greiner >>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >>> NERSC, LBNL >>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >>> 510-495-2935 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kbase-devel mailing list >>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kbase-devel mailing list >> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel > > _______________________________________________ > Kbase-ui mailing list > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui

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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-devel] [Kbase-ui] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Neal Conrad 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

On Nov 20, 2012, at 12:41 PM, Stephen Chan wrote: > I'm with the "stick with the kbase.us look for now" camp. We have > enough work ahead of us without a design exercise and then a restyle > of existing apps. This sounds like a reasonable approach to me, especially for the Feb demos. However, I am a little concerned about making the model viewer fit comfortably in 960px-width, centered space in the short, and, more importantly, in the long run. Currently, the module viewer takes more a full-browser layout approach, similar to apps like the KBase narrative, Galaxy, Grooveshark, NPR, etc,..., as opposed to applications that are "skinned" or have a website feel (Patric comes to mind). I personally believe the the latter is not a good layout design in the long run, particularly when viewing large tables of data, diagrams, and so fourth. I think you can see that downfall in Patric. Note: I don't claim to have short term solution for this, it's just something I've been thinking about. -Neal > > It sounds like what people like the most from bootstrap is the CSS > templating features. Its easy to get the milk without buying the cow > on this one - LessCSS is distinct from bootstrap. There are also other > alternatives like Compass (SASS under the covers). That is a bit of > religious war though, so I'll leave that to CSS combatants. In any > case, lets just use a CSS template if that is what we want, and not > bring in a whole framework. > > From personal experience, JQuery has a *huge* developer base > creating lots of very useful ui components, its like CPAN for browser > doohickeys. I think it would be a huge mistake to give it up. JQuery > is also a really powerful and expressive framework, but I can't > compare it to bootstrap. > > Steve > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >> whoops, sorry, that was Bob that suggested we start with the kbase.us look. >> I should have said I agree with Bob on that. >> -Annette >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Daniel Gunter wrote: >> >> Hi folks, >> >> If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some >> description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when would >> that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an acceptable >> answer :-) >> >> -Dan >> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <olson(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: >>> >>> Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current kbase.us >>> and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth >>> transition from the static website to the live tools. >>> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: >>> >>>> Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how >>>> UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't >>>> think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. >>>> >>>> Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the >>>> JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone >>>> object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? >>>> >>>> We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase >>>> Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are >>>> deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged >>>> functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of >>>> Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me >>>> otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look >>>> and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? >>>> >>>> Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can >>>> identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. >>>> >>>> Adam >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry >>>> <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >>>>> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first >>>>> thing we did? >>>>> >>>>> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for >>>>> the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the demo. >>>>> We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do need to >>>>> have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. Like it >>>>> or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain extent… >>>>> Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This is one >>>>> reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce >>>>> *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure if >>>>> that's in the plan at the moment. >>>>> >>>>> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and >>>>> standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase demo >>>>> have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely jarring >>>>> our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start to >>>>> emerge. >>>>> >>>>> -Chris >>>>> >>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we >>>>>> were told that the work was going to focus on code development and we should >>>>>> let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the look and >>>>>> feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. >>>>>> >>>>>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the >>>>>> narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. The UI >>>>>> design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) thus far. >>>>>> For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, neutral >>>>>> theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from the look. >>>>>> I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer for >>>>>> developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse >>>>>> strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. >>>>>> >>>>>> -Annette >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being >>>>>>> worked on in sub-groups already. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx >>>>>>> team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things (e.g., the >>>>>>> recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're also >>>>>>> gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting more, as I get >>>>>>> useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end up >>>>>>> evolving over time. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, then a >>>>>>> custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using the >>>>>>> smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel of where >>>>>>> the narrative is. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of a >>>>>>> show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define stuff. Or >>>>>>> maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that I'm very >>>>>>> strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or colors we >>>>>>> end up with, for example. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid >>>>>>> <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a >>>>>>> brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look and feel. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic >>>>>>> identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would include choice >>>>>>> of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. >>>>>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. >>>>>>> Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a standard CSS >>>>>>> document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in >>>>>>> participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago for the >>>>>>> build week)? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: >>>>>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ >>>>>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ >>>>>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> ~ Scott >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>>>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> >>>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> -Jim Thomason... >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, >>>>>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory >>>>>>> http://www.warelab.org/ >>>>>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>>>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>>>> >>>>>> -- >>>>>> Annette Greiner >>>>>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >>>>>> NERSC, LBNL >>>>>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >>>>>> 510-495-2935 >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> Kbase-devel mailing list >>>>>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Microbe mailing list >>>>> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us >>>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Adam Paul Arkin >>>> Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> Director, Physical Biosciences Division >>>> E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >>>> >>>> Professor, Department of Bioengineering >>>> University of California >>>> Berkeley, CA, 94720 >>>> >>>> Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, >>>> http://synbio.berkeley.edu >>>> PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and >>>> Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov >>>> Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, >>>> http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org >>>> >>>> Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) >>>> Mailing address: >>>> E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >>>> 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L >>>> Berkeley, CA 94720 >>>> >>>> Contact: >>>> W: http://genomics.lbl.gov >>>> V: 510-495-2366 >>>> C: 510-206-1389 >>>> F: 510-486-6219 >>>> >>>> Assistant: >>>> Gwyneth A. Terry >>>> V: 510-495-2116 >>>> E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov >>>> ------------------------------------- >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >> >> >> >> -- >> {name:"Dan Gunter", institution:"LBNL", web:"http://acs.lbl.gov/~dang/"} >> _______________________________________________ >> Kbase-ui mailing list >> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >> >> -- >> Annette Greiner >> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >> NERSC, LBNL >> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >> 510-495-2935 >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kbase-devel mailing list >> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >> > _______________________________________________ > Kbase-devel mailing list > Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel

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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-devel] [Kbase-ui] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Stephen Chan 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

Ahhh...I do realize the difference, but obviously conflated them in my response. I should say that JQuery-UI has a huge library of UI components. But as I will readily admit, I know little about bootstrap. Steve On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:49 AM, Shreyas Cholia <scholia(a)lbl.gov> wrote: > Hey Steve - just to clarify JQuery is not the same as JQuery UI. > > Bootstrap actually uses JQuery under the covers so you wouldn't be giving > that up. > > Not offering any opinions on JQ-UI vs. Bootstrap, but I figured I'd clarify > an misconceptions. > > -Shreyas > > > > > On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Stephen Chan <sychan(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >> >> I'm with the "stick with the kbase.us look for now" camp. We have >> enough work ahead of us without a design exercise and then a restyle >> of existing apps. >> >> It sounds like what people like the most from bootstrap is the CSS >> templating features. Its easy to get the milk without buying the cow >> on this one - LessCSS is distinct from bootstrap. There are also other >> alternatives like Compass (SASS under the covers). That is a bit of >> religious war though, so I'll leave that to CSS combatants. In any >> case, lets just use a CSS template if that is what we want, and not >> bring in a whole framework. >> >> From personal experience, JQuery has a *huge* developer base >> creating lots of very useful ui components, its like CPAN for browser >> doohickeys. I think it would be a huge mistake to give it up. JQuery >> is also a really powerful and expressive framework, but I can't >> compare it to bootstrap. >> >> Steve >> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> >> wrote: >> > whoops, sorry, that was Bob that suggested we start with the kbase.us >> > look. >> > I should have said I agree with Bob on that. >> > -Annette >> > >> > On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Daniel Gunter wrote: >> > >> > Hi folks, >> > >> > If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some >> > description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when >> > would >> > that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an >> > acceptable >> > answer :-) >> > >> > -Dan >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <olson(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: >> >> >> >> Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current >> >> kbase.us >> >> and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth >> >> transition from the static website to the live tools. >> >> >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: >> >> >> >> > Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for >> >> > how >> >> > UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't >> >> > think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. >> >> > >> >> > Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the >> >> > JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does >> >> > anyone >> >> > object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? >> >> > >> >> > We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a >> >> > KBase >> >> > Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are >> >> > deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged >> >> > functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version >> >> > of >> >> > Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me >> >> > otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look >> >> > and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? >> >> > >> >> > Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can >> >> > identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. >> >> > >> >> > Adam >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry >> >> > <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> >> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the >> >> >> first >> >> >> thing we did? >> >> >> >> >> >> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for >> >> >> the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the >> >> >> demo. >> >> >> We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do >> >> >> need to >> >> >> have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. >> >> >> Like it >> >> >> or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain >> >> >> extent… >> >> >> Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This >> >> >> is one >> >> >> reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce >> >> >> *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure >> >> >> if >> >> >> that's in the plan at the moment. >> >> >> >> >> >> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and >> >> >> standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase >> >> >> demo >> >> >> have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely >> >> >> jarring >> >> >> our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start >> >> >> to >> >> >> emerge. >> >> >> >> >> >> -Chris >> >> >> >> >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> >> >> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> >> >>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we >> >> >>> were told that the work was going to focus on code development and >> >> >>> we should >> >> >>> let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the >> >> >>> look and >> >> >>> feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the >> >> >>> narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. >> >> >>> The UI >> >> >>> design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) >> >> >>> thus far. >> >> >>> For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, >> >> >>> neutral >> >> >>> theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from >> >> >>> the look. >> >> >>> I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer >> >> >>> for >> >> >>> developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse >> >> >>> strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -Annette >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: >> >> >>> >> >> >>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being >> >> >>>> worked on in sub-groups already. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx >> >> >>>> team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things >> >> >>>> (e.g., the >> >> >>>> recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're >> >> >>>> also >> >> >>>> gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting >> >> >>>> more, as I get >> >> >>>> useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end >> >> >>>> up >> >> >>>> evolving over time. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, >> >> >>>> then a >> >> >>>> custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using >> >> >>>> the >> >> >>>> smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel >> >> >>>> of where >> >> >>>> the narrative is. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of >> >> >>>> a >> >> >>>> show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define >> >> >>>> stuff. Or >> >> >>>> maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that >> >> >>>> I'm very >> >> >>>> strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or >> >> >>>> colors we >> >> >>>> end up with, for example. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid >> >> >>>> <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:[email protected]>> >> >> >>>> wrote: >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a >> >> >>>> brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look >> >> >>>> and feel. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic >> >> >>>> identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would >> >> >>>> include choice >> >> >>>> of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. >> >> >>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. >> >> >>>> Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a >> >> >>>> standard CSS >> >> >>>> document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in >> >> >>>> participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago >> >> >>>> for the >> >> >>>> build week)? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: >> >> >>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ >> >> >>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ >> >> >>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ~ Scott >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >> >> >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> >> >> >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -- >> >> >>>> -Jim Thomason... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, >> >> >>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory >> >> >>>> http://www.warelab.org/ >> >> >>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >> >> >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> >> >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >> >>> >> >> >>> -- >> >> >>> Annette Greiner >> >> >>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >> >> >>> NERSC, LBNL >> >> >>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >> >> >>> 510-495-2935 >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >> >>> Kbase-devel mailing list >> >> >>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >> >> >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >> >> >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> >> Microbe mailing list >> >> >> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us >> >> >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > -- >> >> > Adam Paul Arkin >> >> > Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair >> >> > ------------------------------------- >> >> > Director, Physical Biosciences Division >> >> > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> >> > >> >> > Professor, Department of Bioengineering >> >> > University of California >> >> > Berkeley, CA, 94720 >> >> > >> >> > Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, >> >> > http://synbio.berkeley.edu >> >> > PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and >> >> > Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov >> >> > Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, >> >> > http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org >> >> > >> >> > Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) >> >> > Mailing address: >> >> > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> >> > 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L >> >> > Berkeley, CA 94720 >> >> > >> >> > Contact: >> >> > W: http://genomics.lbl.gov >> >> > V: 510-495-2366 >> >> > C: 510-206-1389 >> >> > F: 510-486-6219 >> >> > >> >> > Assistant: >> >> > Gwyneth A. Terry >> >> > V: 510-495-2116 >> >> > E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov >> >> > ------------------------------------- >> >> > _______________________________________________ >> >> > Kbase-ui mailing list >> >> > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> >> > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Kbase-ui mailing list >> >> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > {name:"Dan Gunter", institution:"LBNL", web:"http://acs.lbl.gov/~dang/"} >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Kbase-ui mailing list >> > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Annette Greiner >> > Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >> > NERSC, LBNL >> > amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >> > 510-495-2935 >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Kbase-devel mailing list >> > Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >> > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >> > >> _______________________________________________ >> Kbase-devel mailing list >> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel > >

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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-devel] [Kbase-ui] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Shreyas Cholia 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

Hey Steve - just to clarify JQuery is not the same as JQuery UI. Bootstrap actually uses JQuery under the covers so you wouldn't be giving that up. Not offering any opinions on JQ-UI vs. Bootstrap, but I figured I'd clarify an misconceptions. -Shreyas On Tue, Nov 20, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Stephen Chan <sychan(a)lbl.gov> wrote: > I'm with the "stick with the kbase.us look for now" camp. We have > enough work ahead of us without a design exercise and then a restyle > of existing apps. > > It sounds like what people like the most from bootstrap is the CSS > templating features. Its easy to get the milk without buying the cow > on this one - LessCSS is distinct from bootstrap. There are also other > alternatives like Compass (SASS under the covers). That is a bit of > religious war though, so I'll leave that to CSS combatants. In any > case, lets just use a CSS template if that is what we want, and not > bring in a whole framework. > > From personal experience, JQuery has a *huge* developer base > creating lots of very useful ui components, its like CPAN for browser > doohickeys. I think it would be a huge mistake to give it up. JQuery > is also a really powerful and expressive framework, but I can't > compare it to bootstrap. > > Steve > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> > wrote: > > whoops, sorry, that was Bob that suggested we start with the kbase.uslook. > > I should have said I agree with Bob on that. > > -Annette > > > > On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Daniel Gunter wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some > > description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when > would > > that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an > acceptable > > answer :-) > > > > -Dan > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <olson(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > >> > >> Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current > kbase.us > >> and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth > >> transition from the static website to the live tools. > >> > >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: > >> > >> > Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how > >> > UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't > >> > think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. > >> > > >> > Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the > >> > JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone > >> > object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? > >> > > >> > We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase > >> > Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are > >> > deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged > >> > functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of > >> > Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me > >> > otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look > >> > and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? > >> > > >> > Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can > >> > identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. > >> > > >> > Adam > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry > >> > <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> >> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first > >> >> thing we did? > >> >> > >> >> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for > >> >> the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the > demo. > >> >> We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do > need to > >> >> have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. > Like it > >> >> or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain > extent… > >> >> Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This > is one > >> >> reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce > >> >> *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure > if > >> >> that's in the plan at the moment. > >> >> > >> >> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and > >> >> standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase > demo > >> >> have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely > jarring > >> >> our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start > to > >> >> emerge. > >> >> > >> >> -Chris > >> >> > >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> > wrote: > >> >> > >> >>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we > >> >>> were told that the work was going to focus on code development and > we should > >> >>> let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the > look and > >> >>> feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. > >> >>> > >> >>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the > >> >>> narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. > The UI > >> >>> design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) > thus far. > >> >>> For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, > neutral > >> >>> theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from > the look. > >> >>> I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer for > >> >>> developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse > >> >>> strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. > >> >>> > >> >>> -Annette > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being > >> >>>> worked on in sub-groups already. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx > >> >>>> team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things > (e.g., the > >> >>>> recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're > also > >> >>>> gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting > more, as I get > >> >>>> useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end > up > >> >>>> evolving over time. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, > then a > >> >>>> custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using > the > >> >>>> smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel > of where > >> >>>> the narrative is. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of > a > >> >>>> show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define > stuff. Or > >> >>>> maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that > I'm very > >> >>>> strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or > colors we > >> >>>> end up with, for example. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid > >> >>>> <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:[email protected]>> > >> >>>> wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a > >> >>>> brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look > and feel. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic > >> >>>> identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would > include choice > >> >>>> of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. > >> >>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. > >> >>>> Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a > standard CSS > >> >>>> document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in > >> >>>> participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago > for the > >> >>>> build week)? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: > >> >>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ > >> >>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ > >> >>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ > >> >>>> > >> >>>> ~ Scott > >> >>>> > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list > >> >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> > >> >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > >> >>>> > >> >>>> -- > >> >>>> -Jim Thomason... > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, > >> >>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory > >> >>>> http://www.warelab.org/ > >> >>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ > >> >>>> > >> >>>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list > >> >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > >> >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > >> >>> > >> >>> -- > >> >>> Annette Greiner > >> >>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group > >> >>> NERSC, LBNL > >> >>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov > >> >>> 510-495-2935 > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> _______________________________________________ > >> >>> Kbase-devel mailing list > >> >>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us > >> >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel > >> >> > >> >> _______________________________________________ > >> >> Microbe mailing list > >> >> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us > >> >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > -- > >> > Adam Paul Arkin > >> > Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair > >> > ------------------------------------- > >> > Director, Physical Biosciences Division > >> > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > >> > > >> > Professor, Department of Bioengineering > >> > University of California > >> > Berkeley, CA, 94720 > >> > > >> > Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, > >> > http://synbio.berkeley.edu > >> > PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and > >> > Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov > >> > Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, > >> > http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org > >> > > >> > Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) > >> > Mailing address: > >> > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > >> > 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L > >> > Berkeley, CA 94720 > >> > > >> > Contact: > >> > W: http://genomics.lbl.gov > >> > V: 510-495-2366 > >> > C: 510-206-1389 > >> > F: 510-486-6219 > >> > > >> > Assistant: > >> > Gwyneth A. Terry > >> > V: 510-495-2116 > >> > E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov > >> > ------------------------------------- > >> > _______________________________________________ > >> > Kbase-ui mailing list > >> > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > >> > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Kbase-ui mailing list > >> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > > > > > > > > > > -- > > {name:"Dan Gunter", institution:"LBNL", web:"http://acs.lbl.gov/~dang/"} > > _______________________________________________ > > Kbase-ui mailing list > > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > > > > > > -- > > Annette Greiner > > Outreach, Software, and Programming Group > > NERSC, LBNL > > amgreiner(a)lbl.gov > > 510-495-2935 > > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Kbase-devel mailing list > > Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us > > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel > > > _______________________________________________ > Kbase-devel mailing list > Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >

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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-devel] [Kbase-ui] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Stephen Chan 20 Nov '12

20 Nov '12

I'm with the "stick with the kbase.us look for now" camp. We have enough work ahead of us without a design exercise and then a restyle of existing apps. It sounds like what people like the most from bootstrap is the CSS templating features. Its easy to get the milk without buying the cow on this one - LessCSS is distinct from bootstrap. There are also other alternatives like Compass (SASS under the covers). That is a bit of religious war though, so I'll leave that to CSS combatants. In any case, lets just use a CSS template if that is what we want, and not bring in a whole framework. From personal experience, JQuery has a *huge* developer base creating lots of very useful ui components, its like CPAN for browser doohickeys. I think it would be a huge mistake to give it up. JQuery is also a really powerful and expressive framework, but I can't compare it to bootstrap. Steve On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: > whoops, sorry, that was Bob that suggested we start with the kbase.us look. > I should have said I agree with Bob on that. > -Annette > > On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Daniel Gunter wrote: > > Hi folks, > > If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some > description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when would > that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an acceptable > answer :-) > > -Dan > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <olson(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: >> >> Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current kbase.us >> and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth >> transition from the static website to the live tools. >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: >> >> > Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how >> > UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't >> > think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. >> > >> > Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the >> > JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone >> > object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? >> > >> > We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase >> > Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are >> > deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged >> > functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of >> > Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me >> > otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look >> > and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? >> > >> > Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can >> > identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. >> > >> > Adam >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry >> > <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first >> >> thing we did? >> >> >> >> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for >> >> the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the demo. >> >> We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do need to >> >> have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. Like it >> >> or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain extent… >> >> Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This is one >> >> reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce >> >> *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure if >> >> that's in the plan at the moment. >> >> >> >> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and >> >> standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase demo >> >> have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely jarring >> >> our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start to >> >> emerge. >> >> >> >> -Chris >> >> >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >> >> >> >>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we >> >>> were told that the work was going to focus on code development and we should >> >>> let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the look and >> >>> feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. >> >>> >> >>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the >> >>> narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. The UI >> >>> design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) thus far. >> >>> For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, neutral >> >>> theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from the look. >> >>> I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer for >> >>> developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse >> >>> strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. >> >>> >> >>> -Annette >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being >> >>>> worked on in sub-groups already. >> >>>> >> >>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx >> >>>> team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things (e.g., the >> >>>> recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're also >> >>>> gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting more, as I get >> >>>> useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end up >> >>>> evolving over time. >> >>>> >> >>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, then a >> >>>> custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. >> >>>> >> >>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using the >> >>>> smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel of where >> >>>> the narrative is. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of a >> >>>> show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define stuff. Or >> >>>> maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that I'm very >> >>>> strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or colors we >> >>>> end up with, for example. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid >> >>>> <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:[email protected]>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a >> >>>> brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look and feel. >> >>>> >> >>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic >> >>>> identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would include choice >> >>>> of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. >> >>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. >> >>>> Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a standard CSS >> >>>> document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. >> >>>> >> >>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in >> >>>> participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago for the >> >>>> build week)? >> >>>> >> >>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: >> >>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ >> >>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ >> >>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ >> >>>> >> >>>> ~ Scott >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >> >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> -Jim Thomason... >> >>>> >> >>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, >> >>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory >> >>>> http://www.warelab.org/ >> >>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >> >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Annette Greiner >> >>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >> >>> NERSC, LBNL >> >>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >> >>> 510-495-2935 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Kbase-devel mailing list >> >>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >> >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Microbe mailing list >> >> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us >> >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Adam Paul Arkin >> > Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair >> > ------------------------------------- >> > Director, Physical Biosciences Division >> > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> > >> > Professor, Department of Bioengineering >> > University of California >> > Berkeley, CA, 94720 >> > >> > Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, >> > http://synbio.berkeley.edu >> > PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and >> > Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov >> > Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, >> > http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org >> > >> > Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) >> > Mailing address: >> > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> > 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L >> > Berkeley, CA 94720 >> > >> > Contact: >> > W: http://genomics.lbl.gov >> > V: 510-495-2366 >> > C: 510-206-1389 >> > F: 510-486-6219 >> > >> > Assistant: >> > Gwyneth A. Terry >> > V: 510-495-2116 >> > E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov >> > ------------------------------------- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Kbase-ui mailing list >> > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kbase-ui mailing list >> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > > > > > -- > {name:"Dan Gunter", institution:"LBNL", web:"http://acs.lbl.gov/~dang/"} > _______________________________________________ > Kbase-ui mailing list > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > > > -- > Annette Greiner > Outreach, Software, and Programming Group > NERSC, LBNL > amgreiner(a)lbl.gov > 510-495-2935 > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Kbase-devel mailing list > Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >

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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-devel] [Kbase-ui] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Christopher Henry 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

Hi all, Yes, it was pointed out to me by Neil that the genome browser, data uploader, and model viewer are all being built to look just like www.kbase.us. They really look quite good and mesh very nicely with the site. So I think at this stage, that is our look and feel… and I'm personally quite happy with that. Chris On Nov 19, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: > whoops, sorry, that was Bob that suggested we start with the kbase.us look. I should have said I agree with Bob on that. > -Annette > On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Daniel Gunter wrote: > >> Hi folks, >> >> If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when would that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an acceptable answer :-) >> >> -Dan >> >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <olson(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: >> Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current kbase.us and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth transition from the static website to the live tools. >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: >> >> > Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how >> > UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't >> > think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. >> > >> > Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the >> > JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone >> > object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? >> > >> > We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase >> > Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are >> > deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged >> > functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of >> > Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me >> > otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look >> > and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? >> > >> > Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can >> > identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. >> > >> > Adam >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry >> > <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> >> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first thing we did? >> >> >> >> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the demo. We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do need to have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. Like it or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain extent… Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This is one reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure if that's in the plan at the moment. >> >> >> >> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase demo have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely jarring our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start to emerge. >> >> >> >> -Chris >> >> >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >> >> >> >>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we were told that the work was going to focus on code development and we should let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the look and feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. >> >>> >> >>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. The UI design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) thus far. For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, neutral theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from the look. I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer for developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. >> >>> >> >>> -Annette >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: >> >>> >> >>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being worked on in sub-groups already. >> >>>> >> >>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things (e.g., the recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're also gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting more, as I get useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end up evolving over time. >> >>>> >> >>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, then a custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. >> >>>> >> >>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using the smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel of where the narrative is. >> >>>> >> >>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of a show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define stuff. Or maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that I'm very strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or colors we end up with, for example. >> >>>> >> >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:[email protected]>> >> >>>> wrote: >> >>>> >> >>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look and feel. >> >>>> >> >>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would include choice of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. >> >>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a standard CSS document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. >> >>>> >> >>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago for the build week)? >> >>>> >> >>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: >> >>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ >> >>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ >> >>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ >> >>>> >> >>>> ~ Scott >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >> >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> >> >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >>>> >> >>>> -- >> >>>> -Jim Thomason... >> >>>> >> >>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, >> >>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory >> >>>> http://www.warelab.org/ >> >>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ >> >>>> >> >>>> _______________________________________________ >> >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >> >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >>> >> >>> -- >> >>> Annette Greiner >> >>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >> >>> NERSC, LBNL >> >>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >> >>> 510-495-2935 >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> _______________________________________________ >> >>> Kbase-devel mailing list >> >>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >> >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> Microbe mailing list >> >> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us >> >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe >> > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > Adam Paul Arkin >> > Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair >> > ------------------------------------- >> > Director, Physical Biosciences Division >> > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> > >> > Professor, Department of Bioengineering >> > University of California >> > Berkeley, CA, 94720 >> > >> > Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, http://synbio.berkeley.edu >> > PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and >> > Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov >> > Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, >> > http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org >> > >> > Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) >> > Mailing address: >> > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory >> > 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L >> > Berkeley, CA 94720 >> > >> > Contact: >> > W: http://genomics.lbl.gov >> > V: 510-495-2366 >> > C: 510-206-1389 >> > F: 510-486-6219 >> > >> > Assistant: >> > Gwyneth A. Terry >> > V: 510-495-2116 >> > E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov >> > ------------------------------------- >> > _______________________________________________ >> > Kbase-ui mailing list >> > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Kbase-ui mailing list >> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >> >> >> >> -- >> {name:"Dan Gunter", institution:"LBNL", web:"http://acs.lbl.gov/~dang/"} >> _______________________________________________ >> Kbase-ui mailing list >> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > > -- > Annette Greiner > Outreach, Software, and Programming Group > NERSC, LBNL > amgreiner(a)lbl.gov > 510-495-2935 > > > > > _______________________________________________ > Kbase-devel mailing list > Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel

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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-ui] [Kbase-devel] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Annette Greiner 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

whoops, sorry, that was Bob that suggested we start with the kbase.us look. I should have said I agree with Bob on that. -Annette On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Daniel Gunter wrote: > Hi folks, > > If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when would that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an acceptable answer :-) > > -Dan > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <olson(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current kbase.us and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth transition from the static website to the live tools. > > On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: > > > Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how > > UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't > > think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. > > > > Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the > > JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone > > object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? > > > > We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase > > Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are > > deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged > > functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of > > Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me > > otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look > > and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? > > > > Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can > > identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry > > <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first thing we did? > >> > >> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the demo. We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do need to have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. Like it or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain extent… Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This is one reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure if that's in the plan at the moment. > >> > >> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase demo have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely jarring our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start to emerge. > >> > >> -Chris > >> > >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: > >> > >>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we were told that the work was going to focus on code development and we should let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the look and feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. > >>> > >>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. The UI design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) thus far. For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, neutral theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from the look. I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer for developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. > >>> > >>> -Annette > >>> > >>> > >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: > >>> > >>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being worked on in sub-groups already. > >>>> > >>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things (e.g., the recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're also gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting more, as I get useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end up evolving over time. > >>>> > >>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, then a custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. > >>>> > >>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using the smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel of where the narrative is. > >>>> > >>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of a show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define stuff. Or maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that I'm very strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or colors we end up with, for example. > >>>> > >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look and feel. > >>>> > >>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would include choice of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. > >>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a standard CSS document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. > >>>> > >>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago for the build week)? > >>>> > >>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: > >>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ > >>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ > >>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ > >>>> > >>>> ~ Scott > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list > >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> -Jim Thomason... > >>>> > >>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, > >>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory > >>>> http://www.warelab.org/ > >>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list > >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Annette Greiner > >>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group > >>> NERSC, LBNL > >>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov > >>> 510-495-2935 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Kbase-devel mailing list > >>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us > >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Microbe mailing list > >> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us > >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe > > > > > > > > -- > > Adam Paul Arkin > > Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair > > ------------------------------------- > > Director, Physical Biosciences Division > > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > > > > Professor, Department of Bioengineering > > University of California > > Berkeley, CA, 94720 > > > > Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, http://synbio.berkeley.edu > > PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and > > Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov > > Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, > > http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org > > > > Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) > > Mailing address: > > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > > 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L > > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > > > Contact: > > W: http://genomics.lbl.gov > > V: 510-495-2366 > > C: 510-206-1389 > > F: 510-486-6219 > > > > Assistant: > > Gwyneth A. Terry > > V: 510-495-2116 > > E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov > > ------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > Kbase-ui mailing list > > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > > _______________________________________________ > Kbase-ui mailing list > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > > > > -- > {name:"Dan Gunter", institution:"LBNL", web:"http://acs.lbl.gov/~dang/"} > _______________________________________________ > Kbase-ui mailing list > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui -- Annette Greiner Outreach, Software, and Programming Group NERSC, LBNL amgreiner(a)lbl.gov 510-495-2935

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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-ui] [Kbase-devel] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Daniel Gunter 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

Hi folks, If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when would that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an acceptable answer :-) -Dan On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <olson(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current kbase.us and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth > transition from the static website to the live tools. > > On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: > > > Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how > > UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't > > think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. > > > > Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the > > JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone > > object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? > > > > We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase > > Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are > > deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged > > functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of > > Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me > > otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look > > and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? > > > > Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can > > identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. > > > > Adam > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry > > <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: > >> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first > thing we did? > >> > >> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for > the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the demo. > We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do need to > have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. Like > it or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain > extent… Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. > This is one reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and > produce *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not > sure if that's in the plan at the moment. > >> > >> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and > standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase demo > have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely jarring > our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start to > emerge. > >> > >> -Chris > >> > >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: > >> > >>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we > were told that the work was going to focus on code development and we > should let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the > look and feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. > >>> > >>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the > narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. The UI > design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) thus > far. For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, > neutral theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from > the look. I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer > for developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse > strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. > >>> > >>> -Annette > >>> > >>> > >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: > >>> > >>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being > worked on in sub-groups already. > >>>> > >>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx > team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things (e.g., the > recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're also > gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting more, as I > get useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end up > evolving over time. > >>>> > >>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, then a > custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. > >>>> > >>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using the > smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel of where > the narrative is. > >>>> > >>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of a > show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define stuff. > Or maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that I'm very > strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or colors > we end up with, for example. > >>>> > >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu > <mailto:[email protected]>> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a > brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look and feel. > >>>> > >>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic > identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would include choice > of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. > >>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. > Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a standard CSS > document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. > >>>> > >>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in > participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago for the > build week)? > >>>> > >>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: > >>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ > >>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ > >>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ > >>>> > >>>> ~ Scott > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list > >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> > >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > >>>> > >>>> -- > >>>> -Jim Thomason... > >>>> > >>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, > >>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory > >>>> http://www.warelab.org/ > >>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ > >>>> > >>>> _______________________________________________ > >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list > >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > >>> > >>> -- > >>> Annette Greiner > >>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group > >>> NERSC, LBNL > >>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov > >>> 510-495-2935 > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Kbase-devel mailing list > >>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us > >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Microbe mailing list > >> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us > >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe > > > > > > > > -- > > Adam Paul Arkin > > Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair > > ------------------------------------- > > Director, Physical Biosciences Division > > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > > > > Professor, Department of Bioengineering > > University of California > > Berkeley, CA, 94720 > > > > Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, > http://synbio.berkeley.edu > > PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and > > Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov > > Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, > > http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org > > > > Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) > > Mailing address: > > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > > 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L > > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > > > Contact: > > W: http://genomics.lbl.gov > > V: 510-495-2366 > > C: 510-206-1389 > > F: 510-486-6219 > > > > Assistant: > > Gwyneth A. Terry > > V: 510-495-2116 > > E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov > > ------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > > Kbase-ui mailing list > > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > > _______________________________________________ > Kbase-ui mailing list > Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us > https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui > -- {name:"Dan Gunter", institution:"LBNL", web:"http://acs.lbl.gov/~dang/"}

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Re: [Microbe] [Kbase-devel] [Kbase-ui] UI graphic identity side-table at build meeting?
by Annette Greiner 19 Nov '12

19 Nov '12

I think we (myself included) have been mixing up at least two different questions, both worth thinking about, but the original one is getting lost in the second. Scott was asking about putting together a graphic identity. This is a design product that doesn't require coding (though of course coding will be required to implement it for any given web site). I agree with Neal that the graphic identity can be based on what we already have on the kbase.us site. From that, a capable designer should be able to codify the design requirements for a kbase identity. This is not the same as a graphic design for any given site, however; it's a guide setting forth the few things we want to require across all media. It usually includes guidance on how the logo is used, a color palette, possibly a typeface, and any special treatments that need to be consistent. If we are also interested in thinking about how the narrative UI should look, that will require a bit of design work, using the look of kbase.us but making it work for the narrative interface. At this point, we're not even sure what belongs on the landing page for the narrative UI. I think it's useful to start to think about it, but it doesn't make sense to try and do a detailed graphic design for something when we don't know the content yet. At this stage, we are just aiming for something on which we can do some testing. If people feel that we need to have a formal design for the February demos, and I imagine that would be a good idea, I would recommend that we involve a graphic designer to get an identity right away. I think people coding up demos can take the kbase.ui site and the smoothness jquery UI theme as patterns for putting something together until we have more firm guidance. I will also request that you modularize your front-end code sufficiently that it can be used with a modified graphic design. This is good practice anyway, of course. In general, you can't go wrong keeping things simple. I think the other question, of what libraries to use for coding the UI, should be taken up by a group that comprises all the people who will be coding the UI. This also seems like something worth deciding soon. Are all the people who see themselves as coding the UI on the kbase-ui list? -Annette On Nov 19, 2012, at 2:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote: > Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how > UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't > think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet. > > Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the > JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone > object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)? > > We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase > Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are > deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged > functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of > Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me > otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look > and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps? > > Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can > identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them. > > Adam > > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry > <chrisshenry(a)gmail.com> wrote: >> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first thing we did? >> >> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the demo. We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do need to have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. Like it or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain extent… Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This is one reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure if that's in the plan at the moment. >> >> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase demo have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely jarring our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start to emerge. >> >> -Chris >> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <amgreiner(a)lbl.gov> wrote: >> >>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we were told that the work was going to focus on code development and we should let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the look and feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved. >>> >>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. The UI design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) thus far. For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, neutral theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from the look. I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer for developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard. >>> >>> -Annette >>> >>> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote: >>> >>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being worked on in sub-groups already. >>>> >>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things (e.g., the recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're also gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting more, as I get useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end up evolving over time. >>>> >>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, then a custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway. >>>> >>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using the smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel of where the narrative is. >>>> >>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of a show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define stuff. Or maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that I'm very strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or colors we end up with, for example. >>>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid <devoid(a)ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:[email protected]>> >>>> wrote: >>>> >>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look and feel. >>>> >>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would include choice of fonts, color palette, use of the logo. >>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g. Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a standard CSS document. This shouldn't take more than an hour. >>>> >>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago for the build week)? >>>> >>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements: >>>> http://identity.uchicago.edu/ >>>> http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/ >>>> http://www.identity.ucla.edu/ >>>> >>>> ~ Scott >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us<mailto:[email protected]> >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>>> >>>> -- >>>> -Jim Thomason... >>>> >>>> Scientific Informatics Developer @ The Ware Lab, >>>> a USDA-ARS Laboratory at Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory >>>> http://www.warelab.org/ >>>> http://www.cshl.edu/ >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Kbase-ui mailing list >>>> Kbase-ui(a)lists.kbase.us >>>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-ui >>> >>> -- >>> Annette Greiner >>> Outreach, Software, and Programming Group >>> NERSC, LBNL >>> amgreiner(a)lbl.gov >>> 510-495-2935 >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Kbase-devel mailing list >>> Kbase-devel(a)lists.kbase.us >>> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/kbase-devel >> >> _______________________________________________ >> Microbe mailing list >> Microbe(a)lists.kbase.us >> https://lists.kbase.us/mailman/listinfo/microbe > > > > -- > Adam Paul Arkin > Dean A. Richard Newton Memorial Chair > ------------------------------------- > Director, Physical Biosciences Division > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > > Professor, Department of Bioengineering > University of California > Berkeley, CA, 94720 > > Director, Berkeley Synthetic Biology Institute, http://synbio.berkeley.edu > PI and Co-Director, Virtual Institute of Microbial Stress and > Survival, http://vimss.lbl.gov > Investigator, Energy Biosciences Institute, > http://energybiosciencesinstitute.org > > Office: 512C Energy Biosciences Building (Berkeley Campus) > Mailing address: > E.O. Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory > 1 Cyclotron Road, MS 955-512L > Berkeley, CA 94720 > > Contact: > W: http://genomics.lbl.gov > V: 510-495-2366 > C: 510-206-1389 > F: 510-486-6219 > > Assistant: > Gwyneth A. Terry > V: 510-495-2116 > E: GATerry(a)lbl.gov > ------------------------------------- -- Annette Greiner Outreach, Software, and Programming Group NERSC, LBNL amgreiner(a)lbl.gov 510-495-2935

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