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Re: [mpiwg-sessions] [EXTERNAL] Re: Topics for Sessions WG meeting 27th January 2025
by Pritchard Jr., Howard 24 Jan '25

24 Jan '25

Thanks Martin! As for Ralph’s question, I was not thinking of deprecating MPI _Comm_spawn and friend for several reasons: * We never made headway on a replacement 5-6 years ago in the sessions WG * We ought to be able to address the issue with comm spawn and sessions with relatively small additions to the standard * This MPI functionality is actually being used widely now and deprecating it would generate major pushback * DPP could provide functionality to create parent child communicators, although there’s still MPI_Comm_accept/connect as another route if DPP doesn’t make it into a MPI 6 standard. Note accept/connect isn’t problematic for sessions currently. We’ll iterate on these From: mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> on behalf of MPI Sessions working group <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Reply-To: MPI Sessions working group <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Date: Friday, January 24, 2025 at 3:24 AM To: MPI Sessions working group <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Cc: Martin SCHREIBER <martin.schreiber(a)univ-grenoble-alpes.fr> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mpiwg-sessions] Topics for Sessions WG meeting 27th January 2025 Dear all, I'll be at a workshop on Monday, hence, it's not sure whether I can attend this meeting. Resonating with Dominik, I'd like to propose that we're working in the next months on writing down step-by-step the DPP approach in Latex as an ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Dear all, I'll be at a workshop on Monday, hence, it's not sure whether I can attend this meeting. Resonating with Dominik, I'd like to propose that we're working in the next months on writing down step-by-step the DPP approach in Latex as an extension to MPI, how it works, the rationality, etc. We were working on this over the last years, had many discussions, finally also have an implementation, others also use it, etc. I think it's now time to try to get it into MPI. In this way we'll structure things nicely, have some concrete discussion basis, etc. Any feedback is appreciated. @Howard, if you have some better idea, please let me know. Cheers, Martin On 24.01.25 10:47, Dominik Huber via mpiwg-sessions wrote: Hi Ralph, in this context, we are discussing a dynamic process approach based on PSets and PSet operations (see Additional PSET query/manipulation functions). The output of a PSet operation would be a list of PSet IDs that might refer to new ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Hi Ralph, in this context, we are discussing a dynamic process approach based on PSets and PSet operations (see Additional PSET query/manipulation functions). The output of a PSet operation would be a list of PSet IDs that might refer to new processes and can be used to create new MPI groups/communicators. Regards, Dominik ________________________________ Von: mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org><mailto:[email protected]> im Auftrag von Ralph Castain via mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org><mailto:[email protected]> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2025 19:03:06 An: Ralph Castain via mpiwg-sessions Cc: Ralph Castain Betreff: Re: [mpiwg-sessions] Topics for Sessions WG meeting 27th January 2025 Just curious - if you get rid of MPI_Comm_spawn, then how does one generate new processes? I assume some other API must replace it, so mostly wondering what that API is. FWIW: generating new processes without automatically connecting them to ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Just curious - if you get rid of MPI_Comm_spawn, then how does one generate new processes? I assume some other API must replace it, so mostly wondering what that API is. FWIW: generating new processes without automatically connecting them to the parent seems like a reasonable thing to do, so long as you provide back some info (e.g., a group ID or namespace) that allows you to do it later if you so choose. Ralph On Jan 23, 2025, at 8:09 AM, Pritchard Jr., Howard via mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org><mailto:[email protected]> wrote: This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Hello Folks, Let me know if you have topics to discuss at our next Sessions WG meeting on Monday 1/27/25. I’ve attached some slides with ideas for discussion by the WG this calendar year. We can discuss these at the meeting. 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Re: [mpiwg-sessions] Topics for Sessions WG meeting 27th January 2025
by Martin SCHREIBER 24 Jan '25

24 Jan '25

Dear all, I'll be at a workshop on Monday, hence, it's not sure whether I can attend this meeting. Resonating with Dominik, I'd like to propose that we're working in the next months on writing down step-by-step the DPP approachin Latex as an extension to MPI, how it works, the rationality, etc. We were working on this over the last years, had many discussions, finally also have an implementation, others also use it, etc. I think it's now time to try to get it into MPI. In this way we'll structure things nicely, have some concrete discussion basis, etc. Any feedback is appreciated. @Howard, if you have some better idea, please let me know. Cheers, Martin On 24.01.25 10:47, Dominik Huber via mpiwg-sessions wrote: > Hi Ralph, in this context, we are discussing a dynamic process > approach based on PSets and PSet operations (see Additional PSET > query/manipulation functions). The output of a PSet operation would be > a list of PSet IDs that might refer to new > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > > Hi Ralph, > > > in this context, we are discussing a dynamic process approach based on > PSets and PSet operations (see AdditionalPSET query/manipulation > functions). > > The output of a PSet operation would be a list of PSet IDs that might > refer to new processes and can be used to create new MPI > groups/communicators. > > > Regards, > > Dominik > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > *Von:* mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> im > Auftrag von Ralph Castain via mpiwg-sessions > <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > *Gesendet:* Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2025 19:03:06 > *An:* Ralph Castain via mpiwg-sessions > *Cc:* Ralph Castain > *Betreff:* Re: [mpiwg-sessions] Topics for Sessions WG meeting 27th > January 2025 > Just curious - if you get rid of MPI_Comm_spawn, then how does one > generate new processes? I assume some other API must replace it, so > mostly wondering what that API is. FWIW: generating new processes > without automatically connecting them to > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd > Just curious - if you get rid of MPI_Comm_spawn, then how does one > generate new processes? I assume some other API must replace it, so > mostly wondering what that API is. > > FWIW: generating new processes without automatically connecting them > to the parent seems like a reasonable thing to do, so long as you > provide back some info (e.g., a group ID or namespace) that allows you > to do it later if you so choose. > > Ralph > > >> On Jan 23, 2025, at 8:09 AM, Pritchard Jr., Howard via mpiwg-sessions >> <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> wrote: >> >> This Message Is From an External Sender >> This message came from outside your organization. >> Hello Folks, >> Let me know if you have topics to discuss at our next Sessions WG >> meeting on Monday 1/27/25. >> I’ve attached some slides with ideas for discussion by the WG this >> calendar year. We can discuss these at the meeting. >> Thanks, >> Howard >> ------- >> <image001.png> >> >> *Howard Pritchard* >> *Research Scientist* >> *HPC-ENV* >> *Los Alamos National Laboratory* >> *howardp(a)lanl.gov <mailto:[email protected]>* >> ** >> *<image002.png>* >> <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/losalamosnatlab/__;!!G…>*<image003.png>* >> <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://twitter.com/LosAlamosNatLab__;!!G_uCfscf…>*<image004.png>* >> <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/company/los-alamos-nati…>*<image005.png>* >> <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.facebook.com/LosAlamosNationalLab/__…>** >> >> <sessions_wg_01_27_24.pdf>_______________________________________________ >> mpiwg-sessions mailing list >> mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpi… >> <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpi…> > > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-sessions mailing list > mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpi… -- Univ.-Prof. Dr. Martin Schreiber Applied Mathematics | High Perf. Scientific Comp. for PDEs Université Grenoble Alpes | Lab. Jean Kuntzmann | Inria | France

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Re: [mpiwg-sessions] Topics for Sessions WG meeting 27th January 2025
by Dominik Huber 24 Jan '25

24 Jan '25

Hi Ralph, in this context, we are discussing a dynamic process approach based on PSets and PSet operations (see Additional PSET query/manipulation functions). The output of a PSet operation would be a list of PSet IDs that might refer to new processes and can be used to create new MPI groups/communicators. Regards, Dominik ________________________________ Von: mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> im Auftrag von Ralph Castain via mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 23. Januar 2025 19:03:06 An: Ralph Castain via mpiwg-sessions Cc: Ralph Castain Betreff: Re: [mpiwg-sessions] Topics for Sessions WG meeting 27th January 2025 Just curious - if you get rid of MPI_Comm_spawn, then how does one generate new processes? I assume some other API must replace it, so mostly wondering what that API is. FWIW: generating new processes without automatically connecting them to ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerStart This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. ZjQcmQRYFpfptBannerEnd Just curious - if you get rid of MPI_Comm_spawn, then how does one generate new processes? I assume some other API must replace it, so mostly wondering what that API is. FWIW: generating new processes without automatically connecting them to the parent seems like a reasonable thing to do, so long as you provide back some info (e.g., a group ID or namespace) that allows you to do it later if you so choose. Ralph On Jan 23, 2025, at 8:09 AM, Pritchard Jr., Howard via mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> wrote: This Message Is From an External Sender This message came from outside your organization. Hello Folks, Let me know if you have topics to discuss at our next Sessions WG meeting on Monday 1/27/25. I’ve attached some slides with ideas for discussion by the WG this calendar year. We can discuss these at the meeting. Thanks, Howard ------- <image001.png> Howard Pritchard Research Scientist HPC-ENV Los Alamos National Laboratory howardp(a)lanl.gov<mailto:[email protected]> <image002.png><https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/losalamosnatlab/__;!!G…><image003.png><https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://twitter.com/LosAlamosNatLab__;!!G_uCfscf…><image004.png><https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/company/los-alamos-nati…><image005.png><https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.facebook.com/LosAlamosNationalLab/__…> <sessions_wg_01_27_24.pdf>_______________________________________________ mpiwg-sessions mailing list mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org<mailto:[email protected]> https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpi… <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpi…>

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Re: [mpiwg-sessions] Topics for Sessions WG meeting 27th January 2025
by Ralph Castain 23 Jan '25

23 Jan '25

Just curious - if you get rid of MPI_Comm_spawn, then how does one generate new processes? I assume some other API must replace it, so mostly wondering what that API is. FWIW: generating new processes without automatically connecting them to the parent seems like a reasonable thing to do, so long as you provide back some info (e.g., a group ID or namespace) that allows you to do it later if you so choose. Ralph > On Jan 23, 2025, at 8:09 AM, Pritchard Jr., Howard via mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> wrote: > > This Message Is From an External Sender > This message came from outside your organization. > Hello Folks, > > Let me know if you have topics to discuss at our next Sessions WG meeting on Monday 1/27/25. > > I’ve attached some slides with ideas for discussion by the WG this calendar year. We can discuss these at the meeting. > > Thanks, > > Howard > > ------- > > <image001.png> > Howard Pritchard > Research Scientist > HPC-ENV > > Los Alamos National Laboratory > howardp(a)lanl.gov <mailto:[email protected]> > > <image002.png> <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/losalamosnatlab/__;!!G…><image003.png> <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://twitter.com/LosAlamosNatLab__;!!G_uCfscf…><image004.png> <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/company/los-alamos-nati…><image005.png> <https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.facebook.com/LosAlamosNationalLab/__…> > > > <sessions_wg_01_27_24.pdf>_______________________________________________ > mpiwg-sessions mailing list > mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org <mailto:[email protected]> > https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpi…

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Topics for Sessions WG meeting 27th January 2025
by Pritchard Jr., Howard 23 Jan '25

23 Jan '25

Hello Folks, Let me know if you have topics to discuss at our next Sessions WG meeting on Monday 1/27/25. I’ve attached some slides with ideas for discussion by the WG this calendar year. We can discuss these at the meeting. Thanks, Howard ------- [signature_61897647] Howard Pritchard Research Scientist HPC-ENV Los Alamos National Laboratory howardp(a)lanl.gov<mailto:[email protected]> [signature_3808674572]<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/losalamosnatlab/__;!!G… >[signature_1337906269]<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://twitter.com/LosAlamosNatLab__;!!G_uCfscf… >[signature_1944616917]<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/company/los-alamos-nati… >[signature_3496757626]<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.facebook.com/LosAlamosNationalLab/__… >

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Re: [mpiwg-sessions] Weather delay
by Aurelien Bouteiller 13 Jan '25

13 Jan '25

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Weather delay
by Pritchard Jr., Howard 13 Jan '25

13 Jan '25

Hi folks I am hitting some weather related commute delays this morning and will not be able to join the Webex. Howard Get Outlook for iOS<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://aka.ms/o0ukef__;!!G_uCfscf7eWS!ZjcxcfPhd… >

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Items for Sessions WG meeting - 13th January 2025
by Pritchard Jr., Howard 09 Jan '25

09 Jan '25

Hi All, Happy New Year a little late. Please let me know if you have any agenda items for our meeting next Monday. I have one for sure and maybe a second: * MPI 5.0 RC chapter committee related items * Brainstorm things to focus on for this calendar year Howard ------- [signature_61897647] Howard Pritchard Research Scientist HPC-ENV Los Alamos National Laboratory howardp(a)lanl.gov<mailto:[email protected]> [signature_3715459717]<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.instagram.com/losalamosnatlab/__;!!G… >[signature_2986462209]<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://twitter.com/LosAlamosNatLab__;!!G_uCfscf… >[signature_3572414499]<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.linkedin.com/company/los-alamos-nati… >[signature_3473652133]<https://urldefense.us/v3/__https://www.facebook.com/LosAlamosNationalLab/__… >

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