January 2022 - mpiwg-sessions - mailman3.cels.anl.gov

Sessions WG - meet today
by Pritchard Jr., Howard 10 Jan '22

10 Jan '22

Hello All, We will meet today. Dominik Huber will give a presentation summarizing elements of his thesis – Towards Dynamic Resource Management with MPI Sessions and PMIx<https://www.martin-schreiber.info/data/student_projects/2021_MA_dominik_hub…>. Howard — [signature_61897647] Howard Pritchard Research Scientist HPC-ENV Los Alamos National Laboratory howardp(a)lanl.gov [signature_1079070393]<https://www.instagram.com/losalamosnatlab/>[signature_574451709]<https://twitter.com/LosAlamosNatLab>[signature_720027535]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/los-alamos-national-laboratory/>[signature_1078058180]<https://www.facebook.com/LosAlamosNationalLab/>

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Re: [mpiwg-sessions] [EXTERNAL] We missed a bit -- §19.3.3
by Pritchard Jr., Howard 06 Jan '22

06 Jan '22

HI Dan, Thanks for the catch. Are you going to open an issue? Otherwise I will. Howard From: mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> on behalf of MPI Sessions working group <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Reply-To: MPI Sessions working group <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Date: Thursday, January 6, 2022 at 7:51 AM To: MPI Sessions working group <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Cc: Dan Holmes <danholmes(a)chi.scot> Subject: [EXTERNAL] [mpiwg-sessions] We missed a bit -- §19.3.3 Hi all, I found section 19.3.3 by accident while looking for something else. It talks about initialising MPI for multiple language support but only mentions the world model procedures (without even using the phrase “world model”). We should have inserted the sessions model way of initialising MPI, IMHO. This should be tidied up for MPI-4.1, if others agree. Cheers, Dan. — Dr Daniel Holmes PhD Executive Director Chief Technology Officer CHI Ltd danholmes(a)chi.scot<mailto:[email protected]>

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We missed a bit -- §19.3.3
by Dan Holmes 06 Jan '22

06 Jan '22

Hi all, I found section 19.3.3 by accident while looking for something else. It talks about initialising MPI for multiple language support but only mentions the world model procedures (without even using the phrase “world model”). We should have inserted the sessions model way of initialising MPI, IMHO. This should be tidied up for MPI-4.1, if others agree. Cheers, Dan. — Dr Daniel Holmes PhD Executive Director Chief Technology Officer CHI Ltd danholmes(a)chi.scot

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Re: [mpiwg-sessions] Meet today
by Ralph Castain 03 Jan '22

03 Jan '22

Hello folks I had a chance over the holidays to catch up on your docs regarding dynamic sessions - quite interesting. I believe there is support in PMIx for pretty much everything I saw being discussed. We have APIs by which an application can directly request allocation changes from the RM, and events by which the RM can notify (and subsequently negotiate) an application regarding changes to its allocation. So each side has the ability to initiate the process, and then both sides negotiate to a common conclusion. We also have an API by which an application can "register" its willingness to accept RM-initiated "preemption" requests so the RM can incorporate that willingness in its pricing and planning procedures. Unfortunately, while we have that infrastructure defined in the PMIx Standard and implemented in OpenPMIx, we have not yet seen the required backend support implemented in an RM. I have started working with some folks on integrating support into Slurm, but I do not know the timetable for public release of that work. SchedMD has been ambivalent towards accepting pull requests that extend its PMIx support, so this may well have to be released as a side-project. I have previously approached Altair about adding support to PBS - nothing has happened yet. I suspect they are waiting for customer demand. I have no knowledge of any other RMs looking into it. As a gap-filling measure, I am adding simulated support in PRRTE so that anyone wanting to develop dynamic resource code can at least have a place where they can develop it and do a little testing. PRRTE doesn't include a scheduler, but I can simulate it by retaining some of the RM-allocated resources as part of a PRRTE-managed "pool". Meantime, I have started a little personal project to add PMIx support to Kubernetes, hopefully giving it more capability to support HPC applications. The Kubeflow community has a degree of PMIx support, but I want to directly integrate it to Kubernetes itself, including the dynamic resource elements described above. I have no timetable for completing that work - as many of you may know, I am retired and so this is something to do in my spare time. If anyone is interested on tracking progress on this, please let me know. Thus, I would encourage you to start prodding your favorite RM vendors as this may prove the critical timeline in making dynamic sessions a reality! Also, if you identify any "gaps" in the PMIx support, please do let me know - I'd be happy to work with you to fill them. The current definitions were developed primarily to support workflow operations and the needs of the dynamic programming model communities (e.g., TensorFlow and Data Analytics). I think those are very similar to what you are identifying, but may perhaps need some tweaking. Ralph On Jan 3, 2022, at 9:28 AM, Pritchard Jr., Howard via mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org <mailto:[email protected]> > wrote: Hello All, Happy New Year! Let’s try to meet today. Items on the agenda: * PR #629 (issue #511) - https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/511 <https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/511> * Pick up where we were on discussion of dynamic sessions requirements, see: * https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_l_Rxe9Q=/ <https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_l_Rxe9Q=/> * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l7LQ8eeVOUW69TDVG9LjKJUuerfE3S3teaMFG5D… <https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l7LQ8eeVOUW69TDVG9LjKJUuerfE3S3teaMFG5D…> * * If my calendar calculation is right, we will be meeting with the FT WG today Thanks, Howard — <image001.png> Howard Pritchard Research Scientist HPC-ENV Los Alamos National Laboratory howardp(a)lanl.gov <mailto:[email protected]> <image002.png> <https://www.instagram.com/losalamosnatlab/> <image003.png> <https://twitter.com/LosAlamosNatLab> <image004.png> <https://www.linkedin.com/company/los-alamos-national-laboratory/> <image005.png> <https://www.facebook.com/LosAlamosNationalLab/> _______________________________________________ mpiwg-sessions mailing list mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org <mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-sessions <https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-sessions>

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Meet today
by Pritchard Jr., Howard 03 Jan '22

03 Jan '22

Hello All, Happy New Year! Let’s try to meet today. Items on the agenda: * PR #629 (issue #511) - https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/511 * Pick up where we were on discussion of dynamic sessions requirements, see: * https://miro.com/app/board/o9J_l_Rxe9Q=/ * https://docs.google.com/document/d/1l7LQ8eeVOUW69TDVG9LjKJUuerfE3S3teaMFG5D… * * If my calendar calculation is right, we will be meeting with the FT WG today Thanks, Howard — [signature_61897647] Howard Pritchard Research Scientist HPC-ENV Los Alamos National Laboratory howardp(a)lanl.gov [signature_690465573]<https://www.instagram.com/losalamosnatlab/>[signature_457751801]<https://twitter.com/LosAlamosNatLab>[signature_205049194]<https://www.linkedin.com/company/los-alamos-national-laboratory/>[signature_39351274]<https://www.facebook.com/LosAlamosNationalLab/>

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