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FTWG Con Call
by Wesley Bland 10 Jan '22

10 Jan '22

The Fault Tolerance Working Group’s weekly con call is today at 12:00 PM Eastern. Today's agenda: * Proposal updates If there's something else that people would like to discuss, please just send an email to the WG so we can get it on the agenda. Thanks, Wes ......................................................................................................................................... Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://tennessee.zoom.us/j/632356722?pwd=lI4_169CGcewIumekTziMw Password: mpiforum Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +16468769923,632356722# or +16699006833,632356722# Or Telephone: Dial: +1 646 876 9923 (US Toll) +1 669 900 6833 (US Toll) Meeting ID: 632 356 722 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/6uINe Or an H.323/SIP room system: H.323: 162.255.37.11 (US West) or 162.255.36.11 (US East) Meeting ID: 632 356 722 Password: 364216 SIP: 632356722(a)zoomcrc.com Password: 364216 .........................................................................................................................................

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Looking for FT Chapter Framework
by Wesley Bland 29 Nov '21

29 Nov '21

Hi Aurelien, In today’s meeting, we were talking about integrating the Reinit work with the FA-MPI and Stages work. All of those proposals are ready to start integrating with the existing standard text. I was looking in the https://github.com/mpiwg-ft/mpi-standard <https://github.com/mpiwg-ft/mpi-standard> repository to try to find the starting point and it wasn’t clear to me which branch you’re using for your work to create the generic FT definitions that they could use as a starting point. Can you point us to that branch? Thanks, Wes

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FTWG Con Call Today - 2021-11-01
by Wesley Bland 01 Nov '21

01 Nov '21

The Fault Tolerance Working Group’s weekly con call is today at 12:00 PM Eastern. Today's agenda: * Continue disucssions from Sessions WG If there's something else that people would like to discuss, please just send an email to the WG so we can get it on the agenda. Thanks, Wes ......................................................................................................................................... Join from PC, Mac, Linux, iOS or Android: https://tennessee.zoom.us/j/632356722?pwd=lI4_169CGcewIumekTziMw Password: mpiforum Or iPhone one-tap (US Toll): +16468769923,632356722# or +16699006833,632356722# Or Telephone: Dial: +1 646 876 9923 (US Toll) +1 669 900 6833 (US Toll) Meeting ID: 632 356 722 International numbers available: https://zoom.us/u/6uINe Or an H.323/SIP room system: H.323: 162.255.37.11 (US West) or 162.255.36.11 (US East) Meeting ID: 632 356 722 Password: 364216 SIP: 632356722(a)zoomcrc.com Password: 364216 .........................................................................................................................................

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Sessions + FT Meetings
by Wesley Bland 11 Oct '21

11 Oct '21

Hi FT folks, So starting two weeks from now, we’ll meet with the Sessions WG during their time slot (12pm US Central) on weeks where we don’t meet in the FTWG. I don’t expect that this will be something we need to continue for a really long time, but it will be good to coordinate for a few months probably. The connection information can be found on their wiki page. You’ll need to be logged in to your GitHub account to get the information and be a member of the Sessions WG group on GitHub to see it. If those aren’t true and you need the connection information, reach out to Howard Pritchard (cc’ed) to be added. Thanks, Wes

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Re: [mpiwg-ft] FTWG & Sessions WG Joint Discussions
by Wesley Bland 11 Oct '21

11 Oct '21

Hi folks, I’m sorry that I missed my own deadline for scheduling this. The preferences were split here between 1 and 2, but I think 1 will work better moving forward as the two WGs might need to have a little time to respond to discussions during these joint meetings. It’s probably too late to put this together for this week, but maybe we can start in two weeks? I’ll join the Sessions WG today to at least discuss this with the folks on that call. Thanks, Wes > On Sep 27, 2021, at 10:10 AM, Wesley Bland <work(a)wesbland.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I want to remind folks to please reply to this email with your preferences. Right now, I have an even split of 1s (Sessions folks) and 2s (FT folks). Logistically, it would probably be simpler to do 1 so we don’t have to shuffle between topics, so that would be my preference, but please indicate your's by replying. I’ll work with the WG leaders on Wednesday to set up whatever we pick. > > Thanks, > Wes > >> On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Wesley Bland <work(a)wesbland.com <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> In the recent plenary discussion in the MPI Forum about future fault tolerance proposals, it became clear that our two working groups needed to coordinate some of our work to avoid duplication and promote interoperability. In the FTWG today, we discussed this a little more with Dan “representing” the Sessions WG. At this point, it probably makes sense to try to find a few times over the next few months where we can all meet together to cover topics that our two groups are exploring. I think we have three options to do this: >> >> 1. The FTWG meets every other week. On weeks where the FTWG isn’t meeting anyway, we could have a joint meeting during the Sessions WG time slot (12pm US Central I think). The FTWG met this week so this would theoretically start next week (or two weeks after that). >> >> 2. Merge the meeting time slots and share the middle hour. The FTWG meets in the hour before the Sessions WG. So we could have the middle hour (11:30am - 12:30pm US Central time) be common time every other week to discuss common items while leaving time for the two WGs during their normal time slots. This would involve some Zoom link merging, but we could figure that out. >> >> 3. Pick a completely different time to meet in addition to our existing WG times. >> >> So as an action item for each person who is interested in participating here are two things to do: >> >> a. Indicate your availability for a meeting on this doodle poll: https://doodle.com/poll/2wztvc68b8gw6e7m?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link <https://doodle.com/poll/2wztvc68b8gw6e7m?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link>. While the poll is anchored to this week, the times are for a recurring meeting every other week, so ignore any one-off conflicts you have this week. >> >> b. Pick your preference between 1, 2, and 3 above and respond to this email. If you’re not on both mailing lists, this will likely generate a bunch of bounces for you. Feel free to register for the list you’re not currently on to avoid that problem. You can also reply just to me, but you won’t impose your preferences on the rest of the group that way. :) >> >> Based on the responses, I’ll try to find a time that works best for the most people. >> >> Thanks, >> Wes >

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FTWG Con Call Today
by Wesley Bland 04 Oct '21

04 Oct '21

Hi all, I can’t attend today’s con call, but if there’s something to discuss, feel free to go ahead. Thanks, Wes

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Re: [mpiwg-ft] [EXTERNAL] Re: FTWG & Sessions WG Joint Discussions
by Purushotham Bangalore 27 Sep '21

27 Sep '21

My preference is option #1. ________________________________ From: mpiwg-ft <mpiwg-ft-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> on behalf of Wesley Bland via mpiwg-ft <mpiwg-ft(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Sent: Monday, September 27, 2021 10:10 AM To: MPI Forum Fault Tolerance Working Group <mpiwg-ft(a)lists.mpi-forum.org>; mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Cc: Wesley Bland <work(a)wesbland.com> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mpiwg-ft] FTWG & Sessions WG Joint Discussions Hi all, I want to remind folks to please reply to this email with your preferences. Right now, I have an even split of 1s (Sessions folks) and 2s (FT folks). Logistically, it would probably be simpler to do 1 so we don’t have to shuffle between topics, so that would be my preference, but please indicate your's by replying. I’ll work with the WG leaders on Wednesday to set up whatever we pick. Thanks, Wes On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Wesley Bland <work(a)wesbland.com<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi all, In the recent plenary discussion in the MPI Forum about future fault tolerance proposals, it became clear that our two working groups needed to coordinate some of our work to avoid duplication and promote interoperability. In the FTWG today, we discussed this a little more with Dan “representing” the Sessions WG. At this point, it probably makes sense to try to find a few times over the next few months where we can all meet together to cover topics that our two groups are exploring. I think we have three options to do this: 1. The FTWG meets every other week. On weeks where the FTWG isn’t meeting anyway, we could have a joint meeting during the Sessions WG time slot (12pm US Central I think). The FTWG met this week so this would theoretically start next week (or two weeks after that). 2. Merge the meeting time slots and share the middle hour. The FTWG meets in the hour before the Sessions WG. So we could have the middle hour (11:30am - 12:30pm US Central time) be common time every other week to discuss common items while leaving time for the two WGs during their normal time slots. This would involve some Zoom link merging, but we could figure that out. 3. Pick a completely different time to meet in addition to our existing WG times. So as an action item for each person who is interested in participating here are two things to do: a. Indicate your availability for a meeting on this doodle poll: https://doodle.com/poll/2wztvc68b8gw6e7m?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link<https://nam11.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdoodle.co…>. While the poll is anchored to this week, the times are for a recurring meeting every other week, so ignore any one-off conflicts you have this week. b. Pick your preference between 1, 2, and 3 above and respond to this email. If you’re not on both mailing lists, this will likely generate a bunch of bounces for you. Feel free to register for the list you’re not currently on to avoid that problem. You can also reply just to me, but you won’t impose your preferences on the rest of the group that way. :) Based on the responses, I’ll try to find a time that works best for the most people. Thanks, Wes

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Re: [mpiwg-ft] FTWG & Sessions WG Joint Discussions
by Wesley Bland 27 Sep '21

27 Sep '21

Hi all, I want to remind folks to please reply to this email with your preferences. Right now, I have an even split of 1s (Sessions folks) and 2s (FT folks). Logistically, it would probably be simpler to do 1 so we don’t have to shuffle between topics, so that would be my preference, but please indicate your's by replying. I’ll work with the WG leaders on Wednesday to set up whatever we pick. Thanks, Wes > On Sep 20, 2021, at 12:12 PM, Wesley Bland <work(a)wesbland.com> wrote: > > Hi all, > > In the recent plenary discussion in the MPI Forum about future fault tolerance proposals, it became clear that our two working groups needed to coordinate some of our work to avoid duplication and promote interoperability. In the FTWG today, we discussed this a little more with Dan “representing” the Sessions WG. At this point, it probably makes sense to try to find a few times over the next few months where we can all meet together to cover topics that our two groups are exploring. I think we have three options to do this: > > 1. The FTWG meets every other week. On weeks where the FTWG isn’t meeting anyway, we could have a joint meeting during the Sessions WG time slot (12pm US Central I think). The FTWG met this week so this would theoretically start next week (or two weeks after that). > > 2. Merge the meeting time slots and share the middle hour. The FTWG meets in the hour before the Sessions WG. So we could have the middle hour (11:30am - 12:30pm US Central time) be common time every other week to discuss common items while leaving time for the two WGs during their normal time slots. This would involve some Zoom link merging, but we could figure that out. > > 3. Pick a completely different time to meet in addition to our existing WG times. > > So as an action item for each person who is interested in participating here are two things to do: > > a. Indicate your availability for a meeting on this doodle poll: https://doodle.com/poll/2wztvc68b8gw6e7m?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link <https://doodle.com/poll/2wztvc68b8gw6e7m?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link>. While the poll is anchored to this week, the times are for a recurring meeting every other week, so ignore any one-off conflicts you have this week. > > b. Pick your preference between 1, 2, and 3 above and respond to this email. If you’re not on both mailing lists, this will likely generate a bunch of bounces for you. Feel free to register for the list you’re not currently on to avoid that problem. You can also reply just to me, but you won’t impose your preferences on the rest of the group that way. :) > > Based on the responses, I’ll try to find a time that works best for the most people. > > Thanks, > Wes

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Re: [mpiwg-ft] [mpiwg-sessions] [EXTERNAL] Re: FTWG & Sessions WG Joint Discussions
by Aurelien Bouteiller 23 Sep '21

23 Sep '21

I prefer option 2 but can work with 1 as well, don’t like 3. Aurelien > On Sep 22, 2021, at 16:15, Pritchard Jr., Howard via mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> wrote: > > HI Wesley > > Option 1 would work best for me, although 2 would be okay. > > Howard > > From: mpiwg-ft <mpiwg-ft-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> on behalf of Dan Holmes via mpiwg-ft <mpiwg-ft(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > Reply-To: MPI WG Fault Tolerance and Dynamic Process Control working Group <mpiwg-ft(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 10:05 AM > To: Wesley Bland <work(a)wesbland.com> > Cc: Dan Holmes <danholmes(a)chi.scot>, MPI Forum Fault Tolerance Working Group <mpiwg-ft(a)lists.mpi-forum.org>, MPI Sessions working group <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> > Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mpiwg-ft] [mpiwg-sessions] FTWG & Sessions WG Joint Discussions > > Hi all, > > I prefer option 1 but could do option 2 instead. I don’t like option 3. > > Cheers, > Dan. > — > Dr Daniel Holmes PhD > Executive Director > Chief Technology Officer > CHI Ltd > danholmes(a)chi.scot > > > > >> On 20 Sep 2021, at 18:12, Wesley Bland via mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> wrote: >> >> Hi all, >> >> In the recent plenary discussion in the MPI Forum about future fault tolerance proposals, it became clear that our two working groups needed to coordinate some of our work to avoid duplication and promote interoperability. In the FTWG today, we discussed this a little more with Dan “representing” the Sessions WG. At this point, it probably makes sense to try to find a few times over the next few months where we can all meet together to cover topics that our two groups are exploring. I think we have three options to do this: >> >> 1. The FTWG meets every other week. On weeks where the FTWG isn’t meeting anyway, we could have a joint meeting during the Sessions WG time slot (12pm US Central I think). The FTWG met this week so this would theoretically start next week (or two weeks after that). >> >> 2. Merge the meeting time slots and share the middle hour. The FTWG meets in the hour before the Sessions WG. So we could have the middle hour (11:30am - 12:30pm US Central time) be common time every other week to discuss common items while leaving time for the two WGs during their normal time slots. This would involve some Zoom link merging, but we could figure that out. >> >> 3. Pick a completely different time to meet in addition to our existing WG times. >> >> So as an action item for each person who is interested in participating here are two things to do: >> >> a. Indicate your availability for a meeting on this doodle poll: https://doodle.com/poll/2wztvc68b8gw6e7m?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link. While the poll is anchored to this week, the times are for a recurring meeting every other week, so ignore any one-off conflicts you have this week. >> >> b. Pick your preference between 1, 2, and 3 above and respond to this email. If you’re not on both mailing lists, this will likely generate a bunch of bounces for you. Feel free to register for the list you’re not currently on to avoid that problem. You can also reply just to me, but you won’t impose your preferences on the rest of the group that way. :) >> >> Based on the responses, I’ll try to find a time that works best for the most people. >> >> Thanks, >> Wes >> _______________________________________________ >> mpiwg-sessions mailing list >> mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org >> https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-sessions > > _______________________________________________ > mpiwg-sessions mailing list > mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org > https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-sessions

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Re: [mpiwg-ft] [EXTERNAL] Re: [mpiwg-sessions] FTWG & Sessions WG Joint Discussions
by Pritchard Jr., Howard 22 Sep '21

22 Sep '21

HI Wesley Option 1 would work best for me, although 2 would be okay. Howard From: mpiwg-ft <mpiwg-ft-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> on behalf of Dan Holmes via mpiwg-ft <mpiwg-ft(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Reply-To: MPI WG Fault Tolerance and Dynamic Process Control working Group <mpiwg-ft(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Date: Wednesday, September 22, 2021 at 10:05 AM To: Wesley Bland <work(a)wesbland.com> Cc: Dan Holmes <danholmes(a)chi.scot>, MPI Forum Fault Tolerance Working Group <mpiwg-ft(a)lists.mpi-forum.org>, MPI Sessions working group <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [mpiwg-ft] [mpiwg-sessions] FTWG & Sessions WG Joint Discussions Hi all, I prefer option 1 but could do option 2 instead. I don’t like option 3. Cheers, Dan. — Dr Daniel Holmes PhD Executive Director Chief Technology Officer CHI Ltd danholmes(a)chi.scot<mailto:[email protected]> On 20 Sep 2021, at 18:12, Wesley Bland via mpiwg-sessions <mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi all, In the recent plenary discussion in the MPI Forum about future fault tolerance proposals, it became clear that our two working groups needed to coordinate some of our work to avoid duplication and promote interoperability. In the FTWG today, we discussed this a little more with Dan “representing” the Sessions WG. At this point, it probably makes sense to try to find a few times over the next few months where we can all meet together to cover topics that our two groups are exploring. I think we have three options to do this: 1. The FTWG meets every other week. On weeks where the FTWG isn’t meeting anyway, we could have a joint meeting during the Sessions WG time slot (12pm US Central I think). The FTWG met this week so this would theoretically start next week (or two weeks after that). 2. Merge the meeting time slots and share the middle hour. The FTWG meets in the hour before the Sessions WG. So we could have the middle hour (11:30am - 12:30pm US Central time) be common time every other week to discuss common items while leaving time for the two WGs during their normal time slots. This would involve some Zoom link merging, but we could figure that out. 3. Pick a completely different time to meet in addition to our existing WG times. So as an action item for each person who is interested in participating here are two things to do: a. Indicate your availability for a meeting on this doodle poll: https://doodle.com/poll/2wztvc68b8gw6e7m?utm_source=poll&utm_medium=link. While the poll is anchored to this week, the times are for a recurring meeting every other week, so ignore any one-off conflicts you have this week. b. Pick your preference between 1, 2, and 3 above and respond to this email. If you’re not on both mailing lists, this will likely generate a bunch of bounces for you. Feel free to register for the list you’re not currently on to avoid that problem. You can also reply just to me, but you won’t impose your preferences on the rest of the group that way. :) Based on the responses, I’ll try to find a time that works best for the most people. Thanks, Wes _______________________________________________ mpiwg-sessions mailing list mpiwg-sessions(a)lists.mpi-forum.org<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-sessions

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