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Re: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead?
by unknown＠example.com 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Gotcha; I'll get the Indiana U. admins to update these links. Thanks for pointing it out! On Sep 11, 2008, at 2:02 PM, Nathan DeBardeleben wrote: > Ah well, the subscription email links to: > > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting > > Which links to: > >> To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the mpi3- >> subsetting Archives. > > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/MailArchives/mpi3-subsetting/ > > Which says "Not Found" so you can see my confusion. :) > > I see where you put it now. Thanks. > > -- Nathan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nathan DeBardeleben, Ph.D. > Los Alamos National Laboratory > High Performance Computing Systems Integration (HPC-5) > phone: 505-667-3428 > email: ndebard_at_[hidden] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > > Jeff Squyres wrote: >> There's a "MPI Forum Mailing Lists" link in the left-hand >> navigation on the meetings web site. :-) >> >> The archives (and subscribe/unsubscribe pages) for all the lists >> are here: >> >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/ >> >> >> On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Supalov, Alexander wrote: >> >>> Hi, >>> >>> It's alive and put on hold, for more time for contemplation and >>> analysis >>> in MPI-3 time frame. Dick Treumann's MPI_INIT_ASSERTED proposal >>> goes a >>> long way to satisfy some practical concerns subsetting was >>> intended to >>> address, already in MPI-2.2. As for the archive, ask Jeff Squires >>> - he >>> must know where all this is stored. >>> >>> Best regards. >>> >>> Alexander >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden] >>> [mailto:mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden]] On Behalf Of >>> Nathan >>> DeBardeleben >>> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:48 PM >>> To: mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] >>> Subject: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead? >>> >>> I'm personally interested in subsetting but can't find any archives >>> related to it on our mailman. Is this working group dead? I'd just >>> like an update on if this concept is alive or not for version 3. >>> >>> Thanks guys. >>> >>> -- >>> -- Nathan >>> >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Nathan DeBardeleben, Ph.D. >>> Los Alamos National Laboratory >>> High Performance Computing Systems Integration (HPC-5) >>> phone: 505-667-3428 >>> email: ndebard_at_[hidden] >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpi3-subsetting mailing list >>> mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting >>> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >>> Intel GmbH >>> Dornacher Strasse 1 >>> 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany >>> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen >>> Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer >>> Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. >>> VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 >>> Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 >>> >>> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material >>> for >>> the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or >>> distribution >>> by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended >>> recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. >>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> mpi3-subsetting mailing list >>> mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] >>> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting >> >> > _______________________________________________ > mpi3-subsetting mailing list > mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting -- Jeff Squyres Cisco Systems

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Re: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead?
by unknown＠example.com 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Ah well, the subscription email links to: http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting Which links to: > To see the collection of prior postings to the list, visit the > mpi3-subsetting Archives. http://lists.mpi-forum.org/MailArchives/mpi3-subsetting/ Which says "Not Found" so you can see my confusion. :) I see where you put it now. Thanks. -- Nathan --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan DeBardeleben, Ph.D. Los Alamos National Laboratory High Performance Computing Systems Integration (HPC-5) phone: 505-667-3428 email: ndebard_at_[hidden] --------------------------------------------------------------------- Jeff Squyres wrote: > There's a "MPI Forum Mailing Lists" link in the left-hand navigation > on the meetings web site. :-) > > The archives (and subscribe/unsubscribe pages) for all the lists are > here: > > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/ > > > On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Supalov, Alexander wrote: > >> Hi, >> >> It's alive and put on hold, for more time for contemplation and analysis >> in MPI-3 time frame. Dick Treumann's MPI_INIT_ASSERTED proposal goes a >> long way to satisfy some practical concerns subsetting was intended to >> address, already in MPI-2.2. As for the archive, ask Jeff Squires - he >> must know where all this is stored. >> >> Best regards. >> >> Alexander >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden] >> [mailto:mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden]] On Behalf Of Nathan >> DeBardeleben >> Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:48 PM >> To: mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] >> Subject: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead? >> >> I'm personally interested in subsetting but can't find any archives >> related to it on our mailman. Is this working group dead? I'd just >> like an update on if this concept is alive or not for version 3. >> >> Thanks guys. >> >> -- >> -- Nathan >> >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Nathan DeBardeleben, Ph.D. >> Los Alamos National Laboratory >> High Performance Computing Systems Integration (HPC-5) >> phone: 505-667-3428 >> email: ndebard_at_[hidden] >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi3-subsetting mailing list >> mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting >> --------------------------------------------------------------------- >> Intel GmbH >> Dornacher Strasse 1 >> 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany >> Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen >> Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer >> Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. >> VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 >> Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 >> >> This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for >> the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution >> by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended >> recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> mpi3-subsetting mailing list >> mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] >> http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting > >

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Re: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead?
by unknown＠example.com 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

PS. Jeff Squyres - sorry for mistake. By the way, the proposal can be found in https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/SubsettingWikiPage . Dick's proposal is in https://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/wiki/InitTimeAssertions . -----Original Message----- From: mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden] [mailto:mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden]] On Behalf Of Supalov, Alexander Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:55 PM To: MPI 3.0 Sub-setting working group Subject: Re: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead? Hi, It's alive and put on hold, for more time for contemplation and analysis in MPI-3 time frame. Dick Treumann's MPI_INIT_ASSERTED proposal goes a long way to satisfy some practical concerns subsetting was intended to address, already in MPI-2.2. As for the archive, ask Jeff Squires - he must know where all this is stored. Best regards. Alexander -----Original Message----- From: mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden] [mailto:mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden]] On Behalf Of Nathan DeBardeleben Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:48 PM To: mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] Subject: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead? I'm personally interested in subsetting but can't find any archives related to it on our mailman. Is this working group dead? I'd just like an update on if this concept is alive or not for version 3. Thanks guys. -- -- Nathan --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan DeBardeleben, Ph.D. Los Alamos National Laboratory High Performance Computing Systems Integration (HPC-5) phone: 505-667-3428 email: ndebard_at_[hidden] --------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ mpi3-subsetting mailing list mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting --------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel GmbH Dornacher Strasse 1 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. _______________________________________________ mpi3-subsetting mailing list mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting --------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel GmbH Dornacher Strasse 1 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies.

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Re: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead?
by unknown＠example.com 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

There's a "MPI Forum Mailing Lists" link in the left-hand navigation on the meetings web site. :-) The archives (and subscribe/unsubscribe pages) for all the lists are here: http://lists.mpi-forum.org/ On Sep 11, 2008, at 1:55 PM, Supalov, Alexander wrote: > Hi, > > It's alive and put on hold, for more time for contemplation and > analysis > in MPI-3 time frame. Dick Treumann's MPI_INIT_ASSERTED proposal goes a > long way to satisfy some practical concerns subsetting was intended to > address, already in MPI-2.2. As for the archive, ask Jeff Squires - he > must know where all this is stored. > > Best regards. > > Alexander > > -----Original Message----- > From: mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden] > [mailto:mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden]] On Behalf Of > Nathan > DeBardeleben > Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:48 PM > To: mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] > Subject: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead? > > I'm personally interested in subsetting but can't find any archives > related to it on our mailman. Is this working group dead? I'd just > like an update on if this concept is alive or not for version 3. > > Thanks guys. > > -- > -- Nathan > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Nathan DeBardeleben, Ph.D. > Los Alamos National Laboratory > High Performance Computing Systems Integration (HPC-5) > phone: 505-667-3428 > email: ndebard_at_[hidden] > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > _______________________________________________ > mpi3-subsetting mailing list > mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > Intel GmbH > Dornacher Strasse 1 > 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany > Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen > Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer > Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. > VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 > Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 > > This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for > the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution > by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended > recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. > > > _______________________________________________ > mpi3-subsetting mailing list > mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] > http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting -- Jeff Squyres Cisco Systems

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Re: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead?
by unknown＠example.com 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

Hi, It's alive and put on hold, for more time for contemplation and analysis in MPI-3 time frame. Dick Treumann's MPI_INIT_ASSERTED proposal goes a long way to satisfy some practical concerns subsetting was intended to address, already in MPI-2.2. As for the archive, ask Jeff Squires - he must know where all this is stored. Best regards. Alexander -----Original Message----- From: mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden] [mailto:mpi3-subsetting-bounces_at_[hidden]] On Behalf Of Nathan DeBardeleben Sent: Thursday, September 11, 2008 7:48 PM To: mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] Subject: [Mpi3-subsetting] Subsetting - alive or dead? I'm personally interested in subsetting but can't find any archives related to it on our mailman. Is this working group dead? I'd just like an update on if this concept is alive or not for version 3. Thanks guys. -- -- Nathan --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan DeBardeleben, Ph.D. Los Alamos National Laboratory High Performance Computing Systems Integration (HPC-5) phone: 505-667-3428 email: ndebard_at_[hidden] --------------------------------------------------------------------- _______________________________________________ mpi3-subsetting mailing list mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting --------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel GmbH Dornacher Strasse 1 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies.

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Subsetting - alive or dead?
by unknown＠example.com 11 Sep '08

11 Sep '08

I'm personally interested in subsetting but can't find any archives related to it on our mailman. Is this working group dead? I'd just like an update on if this concept is alive or not for version 3. Thanks guys. -- -- Nathan --------------------------------------------------------------------- Nathan DeBardeleben, Ph.D. Los Alamos National Laboratory High Performance Computing Systems Integration (HPC-5) phone: 505-667-3428 email: ndebard_at_[hidden] ---------------------------------------------------------------------

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putting subsetting effort on hold?
by unknown＠example.com 08 Aug '08

08 Aug '08

Hi everybody, With Dick Treumann's MPI-2.2 proposal on MPI_init_assert adequately addressing the most urgent practical issues that motivated the original subsetting idea, and current lukewarm response from the Forum to any possible extension thereof, I would suggest that we put the activities of the MPI-3 subsetting WG on hold until further notice. Best regards. Alexander -- Dr Alexander Supalov Intel GmbH Hermuelheimer Strasse 8a 50321 Bruehl, Germany Phone: +49 2232 209034 Mobile: +49 173 511 8735 Fax: +49 2232 209029 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel GmbH Dornacher Strasse 1 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. *

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Sunset WG slides
by unknown＠example.com 30 Jun '08

30 Jun '08

I have read the slides and have some comments on the issues related to MPI_INIT time assertions (slide 4). 1) I agree the set of assertions must be negotiated but unanimous implementor acceptance should not be needed. Defining a assertion in the standard that does not help a particular MPI implementation is pretty harmless. Defining one that does not help any implementation is useless. Implementors are in a good position to recognize assertions that can never be useful and help kill them but no implementor should have veto power.. 2) I have not heard a decent rationale for implementation specific assertions. Assertions are not about the implementation. They are about a particular application and its requirements in relation to the MPI standard. The MPI implementation simply ignores any assertion that is not useful to optimizing that implementation. 3) a) Any tool that intercepts variants of MPI_INIT can remove assertions it does not like. Removing an assertion can never make an application quit working properly. b) I am not sure what "Layered underlying libraries" means but the observation on the slide does apply to what I would call "third party libraries". If some library that will be linked into an application (say a parallel math library) makes calls to MPI_Cancel for ISEND requests than that library should check that the MPI_NO_SEND_CANCEL assertion was not used and bail out if it was. Dick Dick Treumann - MPI Team/TCEM IBM Systems & Technology Group Dept 0lva / MS P963 -- 2455 South Road -- Poughkeepsie, NY 12601 Tele (845) 433-7846 Fax (845) 433-8363 "Supalov, Alexander" <alexander.supalo To v_at_[hidden]> "MPI 3.0 Sub-setting working group" Sent by: <mpi3-subsetting_at_lists.mpi-forum.or mpi3-subsetting-b g> ounces_at_lists.mpi- cc forum.org Subject Re: [Mpi3-subsetting] call for a 06/27/2008 08:55 report-out and session chair AM Please respond to "MPI 3.0 Sub-setting working group" <mpi3-subsetting@ lists.mpi-forum.o rg> Hi everybody, Rich Graham kindly agreed to chair the subsetting meeting for us. A draft report-out can be found in http://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/attachment/wiki/SubsettingWikiP… . I have to use a change-protected PDF for this external publication. Please comment. I've also added last meeting minutes, and am setting about updating the proposal accordingly now. Best regards. Alexander From: Supalov, Alexander Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:36 PM To: 'MPI 3.0 Sub-setting working group' Subject: call for a report-out and session chair Hi everybody, As I won't be at the meeting next week, we need a volunteer to report out to the Forum and then chair the subsetting WG meeting 5:15 pm - 7:00 pm on Tuesday, June 1. Who wants to do this? Please let me know. In the meantime, I'll prepare and upload a draft report-out, and update the current proposal using the materials of our recent meeting by EOW. Best regards. Alexander -- Dr Alexander Supalov Intel GmbH Hermuelheimer Strasse 8a 50321 Bruehl, Germany Phone: +49 2232 209034 Mobile: +49 173 511 8735 Fax: +49 2232 209029 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel GmbH Dornacher Strasse 1 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. _______________________________________________ mpi3-subsetting mailing list mpi3-subsetting_at_[hidden] http://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo.cgi/mpi3-subsetting *

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Re: [Mpi3-subsetting] call for a report-out and session chair
by unknown＠example.com 27 Jun '08

27 Jun '08

Hi everybody, Rich Graham kindly agreed to chair the subsetting meeting for us. A draft report-out can be found in http://svn.mpi-forum.org/trac/mpi-forum-web/attachment/wiki/SubsettingWi kiPage/MPI-3%20subsetting%2C%20take%203.pdf . I have to use a change-protected PDF for this external publication. Please comment. I've also added last meeting minutes, and am setting about updating the proposal accordingly now. Best regards. Alexander ________________________________ From: Supalov, Alexander Sent: Thursday, June 26, 2008 5:36 PM To: 'MPI 3.0 Sub-setting working group' Subject: call for a report-out and session chair Hi everybody, As I won't be at the meeting next week, we need a volunteer to report out to the Forum and then chair the subsetting WG meeting 5:15 pm - 7:00 pm on Tuesday, June 1. Who wants to do this? Please let me know. In the meantime, I'll prepare and upload a draft report-out, and update the current proposal using the materials of our recent meeting by EOW. Best regards. Alexander -- Dr Alexander Supalov Intel GmbH Hermuelheimer Strasse 8a 50321 Bruehl, Germany Phone: +49 2232 209034 Mobile: +49 173 511 8735 Fax: +49 2232 209029 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel GmbH Dornacher Strasse 1 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. *

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call for a report-out and session chair
by unknown＠example.com 26 Jun '08

26 Jun '08

Hi everybody, As I won't be at the meeting next week, we need a volunteer to report out to the Forum and then chair the subsetting WG meeting 5:15 pm - 7:00 pm on Tuesday, June 1. Who wants to do this? Please let me know. In the meantime, I'll prepare and upload a draft report-out, and update the current proposal using the materials of our recent meeting by EOW. Best regards. Alexander -- Dr Alexander Supalov Intel GmbH Hermuelheimer Strasse 8a 50321 Bruehl, Germany Phone: +49 2232 209034 Mobile: +49 173 511 8735 Fax: +49 2232 209029 --------------------------------------------------------------------- Intel GmbH Dornacher Strasse 1 85622 Feldkirchen/Muenchen Germany Sitz der Gesellschaft: Feldkirchen bei Muenchen Geschaeftsfuehrer: Douglas Lusk, Peter Gleissner, Hannes Schwaderer Registergericht: Muenchen HRB 47456 Ust.-IdNr. VAT Registration No.: DE129385895 Citibank Frankfurt (BLZ 502 109 00) 600119052 This e-mail and any attachments may contain confidential material for the sole use of the intended recipient(s). Any review or distribution by others is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please contact the sender and delete all copies. *

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