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Re: [mpiwg-languages] MPI Languages WG
by Holmes, Daniel John 19 Oct '22

19 Oct '22

Hi all, I made some comments on the GitHub issue for side documents (#562) that capture some feedback from the virtual meeting today. https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/562#issuecomment-1284287447 Best wishes, Dan. From: mpiwg-languages <mpiwg-languages-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> On Behalf Of Holmes, Daniel John via mpiwg-languages Sent: 10 October 2022 13:00 To: mpiwg-languages(a)lists.mpi-forum.org Cc: Holmes, Daniel John <daniel.john.holmes(a)intel.com>; Suggs, Evan <evan-suggs(a)utc.edu>; Elis, Bengisu <bengisu.elis(a)tum.de>; Skjellum, Anthony <Tony-Skjellum(a)utc.edu>; Schafer, Derek <derek-schafer(a)utc.edu>; Klemm, Michael <Michael.Klemm(a)amd.com>; alfredo.correa(a)gmail.com; andrew.lumsdaine <andrew.lumsdaine(a)pnnl.gov> Subject: Re: [mpiwg-languages] MPI Languages WG HI Martin, Should we search for a different/better time & day for these Languages WG meetings? Also, I pruned the cc list to remove subscribers to the WG's email list. How many non-subscribers (those in cc for this email) want to receive these emails? If you're cc'd here, then you're not subscribed (with that email address); if you want to be, please go here and sign up: https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-languages Some of the discussion on side documents was captured by Wes in a summary comment on Issue 562: https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/562#issuecomment-1263956090 Based on the discussion on 2022-09-30: * We need to unify and better specify the terminology on these documents between the website, procedures document, and this proposal. * It sounds like this is proposing having at least three categories of documents: * Normative side-documents (e.g., new language documents, MQD?, MPIR?) * Non-normative side-documents (e.g., exploratory features) * Organizational side-documents (e.g. JOD, instructions for preparing the doc) * This proposal will need to include changes to the procedures that define any new categories. * We may also need to include (either with this proposal or very soon afterward) changes to the existing documents to make them compatible with the new definitions. Additional notes: * The Languages WG wants to add normative side-documents containing optional bindings for additional languages (e.g. C++, Python, ...) * The HACC WG wants to add normative side-documents containing optional bindings for language extensions (e.g. CUDA, SYCL, ...) * The HACC WG wants to add (non-)normative side-documents containing experimental features (e.g. continuations, streams/queues, ...) * The JOD was excised from the MPI-4.x branch (after the MPI-4.0 release) by the document editor; adding it back in might be A Bad Thing (tm) * Changes to all existing (companion/associated/side-)documents to make them conform is (significant?) scope-creep. Best wishes, Dan. -----Original Appointment----- From: mpiwg-languages <mpiwg-languages-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Ruefenacht, Martin Sent: 10 October 2022 07:50 To: mpiwg-languages(a)lists.mpi-forum.org<mailto:[email protected]>; Skjellum, Anthony; Klemm, Michael; Dan Holmes; Elis, Bengisu; Alfredo Correa Cc: jeff.science(a)gmail.com<mailto:[email protected]>; Ghosh, Sayan; andrew.lumsdaine; dalcinl(a)gmail.com<mailto:[email protected]>; Eijkhout, Victor; schuchart(a)icl.utk.edu<mailto:[email protected]>; alfredo.correa(a)gmail.com<mailto:[email protected]>; Schafer, Derek; Suggs, Evan Subject: [mpiwg-languages] Canceled: MPI Languages WG When: 13 October 2022 15:00-16:00 (UTC+01:00) Belgrade, Bratislava, Budapest, Ljubljana, Prague. Where: https://tum-conf.zoom.us/j/62174408327 Hello all, Apologies I need to cancel this meeting. I know there was interesting discussion about the presentation topic that Daniel Holmes presented. If you want me to keep the slot going let me know so that a discussion can be had. Cheers, Martin Topic: MPI Languages WG Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime Join Zoom Meeting https://tum-conf.zoom.us/j/62174408327 Meeting ID: 621 7440 8327 Passcode: 089164 One tap mobile +496938079883,,62174408327#,,,,*089164# Germany +496950502596,,62174408327#,,,,*089164# Germany Dial by your location +49 69 3807 9883 Germany +49 695 050 2596 Germany +49 69 7104 9922 Germany +49 30 5679 5800 Germany Meeting ID: 621 7440 8327 Passcode: 089164 Find your local number: https://tum-conf.zoom.us/u/cdiUcscyMs Join by SIP 62174408327(a)fr.zmeu.us<mailto:[email protected]> Join by H.323 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) 213.244.140.110 (Germany) Meeting ID: 621 7440 8327 Passcode: 089164

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Re: [mpiwg-languages] MPI Languages WG
by Holmes, Daniel John 10 Oct '22

10 Oct '22

HI Martin, Should we search for a different/better time & day for these Languages WG meetings? Also, I pruned the cc list to remove subscribers to the WG's email list. How many non-subscribers (those in cc for this email) want to receive these emails? If you're cc'd here, then you're not subscribed (with that email address); if you want to be, please go here and sign up: https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-languages Some of the discussion on side documents was captured by Wes in a summary comment on Issue 562: https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/562#issuecomment-1263956090 Based on the discussion on 2022-09-30: * We need to unify and better specify the terminology on these documents between the website, procedures document, and this proposal. * It sounds like this is proposing having at least three categories of documents: * Normative side-documents (e.g., new language documents, MQD?, MPIR?) * Non-normative side-documents (e.g., exploratory features) * Organizational side-documents (e.g. JOD, instructions for preparing the doc) * This proposal will need to include changes to the procedures that define any new categories. * We may also need to include (either with this proposal or very soon afterward) changes to the existing documents to make them compatible with the new definitions. Additional notes: * The Languages WG wants to add normative side-documents containing optional bindings for additional languages (e.g. C++, Python, ...) * The HACC WG wants to add normative side-documents containing optional bindings for language extensions (e.g. CUDA, SYCL, ...) * The HACC WG wants to add (non-)normative side-documents containing experimental features (e.g. continuations, streams/queues, ...) * The JOD was excised from the MPI-4.x branch (after the MPI-4.0 release) by the document editor; adding it back in might be A Bad Thing (tm) * Changes to all existing (companion/associated/side-)documents to make them conform is (significant?) scope-creep. Best wishes, Dan. -----Original Appointment----- From: mpiwg-languages <mpiwg-languages-bounces(a)lists.mpi-forum.org> On Behalf Of Ruefenacht, Martin Sent: 10 October 2022 07:50 To: mpiwg-languages(a)lists.mpi-forum.org; Skjellum, Anthony; Klemm, Michael; Dan Holmes; Elis, Bengisu; Alfredo Correa Cc: jeff.science(a)gmail.com; Ghosh, Sayan; andrew.lumsdaine; dalcinl(a)gmail.com; Eijkhout, Victor; schuchart(a)icl.utk.edu; alfredo.correa(a)gmail.com; Schafer, Derek; Suggs, Evan Subject: [mpiwg-languages] Canceled: MPI Languages WG When: 13 October 2022 15:00-16:00 (UTC+01:00) Belgrade, Bratislava, Budapest, Ljubljana, Prague. Where: https://tum-conf.zoom.us/j/62174408327 Hello all, Apologies I need to cancel this meeting. I know there was interesting discussion about the presentation topic that Daniel Holmes presented. If you want me to keep the slot going let me know so that a discussion can be had. Cheers, Martin Topic: MPI Languages WG Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime Join Zoom Meeting https://tum-conf.zoom.us/j/62174408327 Meeting ID: 621 7440 8327 Passcode: 089164 One tap mobile +496938079883,,62174408327#,,,,*089164# Germany +496950502596,,62174408327#,,,,*089164# Germany Dial by your location +49 69 3807 9883 Germany +49 695 050 2596 Germany +49 69 7104 9922 Germany +49 30 5679 5800 Germany Meeting ID: 621 7440 8327 Passcode: 089164 Find your local number: https://tum-conf.zoom.us/u/cdiUcscyMs Join by SIP 62174408327(a)fr.zmeu.us<mailto:[email protected]> Join by H.323 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) 213.244.140.110 (Germany) Meeting ID: 621 7440 8327 Passcode: 089164

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Canceled: MPI Languages WG
by Ruefenacht, Martin 10 Oct '22

10 Oct '22

Hello all, Apologies I need to cancel this meeting. I know there was interesting discussion about the presentation topic that Daniel Holmes presented. If you want me to keep the slot going let me know so that a discussion can be had. Cheers, Martin Topic: MPI Languages WG Time: This is a recurring meeting Meet anytime Join Zoom Meeting https://tum-conf.zoom.us/j/62174408327 Meeting ID: 621 7440 8327 Passcode: 089164 One tap mobile +496938079883,,62174408327#,,,,*089164# Germany +496950502596,,62174408327#,,,,*089164# Germany Dial by your location +49 69 3807 9883 Germany +49 695 050 2596 Germany +49 69 7104 9922 Germany +49 30 5679 5800 Germany Meeting ID: 621 7440 8327 Passcode: 089164 Find your local number: https://tum-conf.zoom.us/u/cdiUcscyMs Join by SIP 62174408327(a)fr.zmeu.us Join by H.323 213.19.144.110 (Amsterdam Netherlands) 213.244.140.110 (Germany) Meeting ID: 621 7440 8327 Passcode: 089164

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