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Brochure update
by Ross, Robert B. 09 May '19

09 May '19

Hi all, I've made updates to the first and last pages of the brochure, modeled after the ISDM brochure. Please have a look if you have time, before the call. Assuming we think the message is about right, we'll pass on to the editors and then layout. So that's our major topic for discussion today. I will have to leave the call at 12:45 central (45 minutes in), but I'm optimistic that will be more than enough time for discussion. Best, Rob

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Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think
by Settlemyer, Bradley Wade 06 May '19

06 May '19

What if we removed the through: Enhancing SSIO Monitoring and Automation Maybe changes the way the titles are meant to work too much? From: ssio-2018 <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> on behalf of "Carns, Philip H. via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> Reply-To: "Carns, Philip H." <carns(a)mcs.anl.gov> Date: Friday, May 3, 2019 at 8:07 AM To: "Mohror, Kathryn" <mohror1(a)llnl.gov>, Lee Ward <lee(a)sandia.gov>, "Ross, Robert B." <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov> Cc: "ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov" <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think Thanks Kathryn. I meant to come up with some section title ideas this morning, but I'm still at least half a coffee away from being creative 🙂 I would vote for the last option in your list, "Enhancing SSIO through Monitoring and Automation". It is concise, and it also avoids repetition of the root word "understand" in the section titles. thanks, -Phil ________________________________ From: Mohror, Kathryn <mohror1(a)llnl.gov> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 8:15 AM To: Ward, Lee; Carns, Philip H.; Ross, Robert B. Cc: ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov Subject: RE: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think I agree with Phil here on the title for the “understanding” section. What about something like: Enhancing SSIO Performance through Improved Understanding Enhancing SSIO Understanding for Improved Performance Enhancing SSIO Understanding and Automation through Monitoring Enhancing SSIO through Monitoring and Automation In my head in the above, in the word “performance” I am including all aspects of performance including usability and reliability. I think the Data Management/Hierarchy section is good. Thanks! Kathryn From: ssio-2018 <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> On Behalf Of Ward, Lee via ssio-2018 Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 3:22 PM To: Carns, Philip H. <carns(a)mcs.anl.gov>; Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov>; Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018 <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think Thanks. Right. Those were my instructions to you all. We would use the first half for section title to describe the broad section and you, each, would write text that addressed the “through…” part, drawing on the workshop report. You did that. You did it well, I thought. It doesn’t seem awkward to me but, then, I have weird sensibilities so I can’t lightly dismiss your suggestion. There is versioning, so, if you would like to wrestle my edit of your section into something you feel more closely addresses the title and I like it, I might be inspired to change the other 3 similarly. I might also revert the changes, though, if I don’t – No promises! Pretty please don’t make the boxes overflow into the next page, though? It literally took me hours to cut it down to that page. Thanks! --Lee From: "Carns, Philip H." <carns(a)mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 11:56 AM To: "Ross, Robert B." <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>>, "Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>>, Lee Ward <lee(a)sandia.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think The text that can trace any lineage to me looks nice. One minor quibble on the section headings, though. The shortening of "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience through monitoring, prediction, and automation" down to "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience" ... might be a mismatch for the text in that section. The text itself there is more focused on the 2nd half of the old heading (what can monitoring, prediction, and automation do to help) than the 1st half (the broad objectives). The first 1st half that was retained sounds like a title for a whole report 🙂 I understand we can't fit the old heading, but maybe there is a different condensed version that narrows the scope of that section a little more towards the measuring/modeling/automation aspect? thanks! -Phil ________________________________ From: ssio-2018 <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Ward, Lee via ssio-2018 <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:39 AM To: Ross, Robert B.; Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018 Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think All, FYI. I compressed your very elegant writing in the four sections of the (rebooted) brochure. Maybe take a look at it and make sure I didn't mangle your meaning past the point of utility? Thanks. --Lee On 5/2/19, 7:58 AM, "ssio-2018 on behalf of Ross, Robert B. via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov on behalf of ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]%20on%20behalf%20of%[email protected]>> wrote: Definitely cancel this week, have a nice day! -- Rob > On May 1, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I believe that Laura is out this week, that our report is sitting in the holding pen for a bit, and that I owe some text for the brochure. I'm unlikely to have that text done by tomorrow -- lots of non-work distractions this week -- but will do my best to get something together near the end of the week. > > In the mean time, I think we can skip this week's call unless I hear an objection. > > Rob _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018 _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018

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Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think
by Carns, Philip H. 03 May '19

03 May '19

Thanks Kathryn. I meant to come up with some section title ideas this morning, but I'm still at least half a coffee away from being creative 🙂 I would vote for the last option in your list, "Enhancing SSIO through Monitoring and Automation". It is concise, and it also avoids repetition of the root word "understand" in the section titles. thanks, -Phil ________________________________ From: Mohror, Kathryn <mohror1(a)llnl.gov> Sent: Friday, May 3, 2019 8:15 AM To: Ward, Lee; Carns, Philip H.; Ross, Robert B. Cc: ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov Subject: RE: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think I agree with Phil here on the title for the “understanding” section. What about something like: Enhancing SSIO Performance through Improved Understanding Enhancing SSIO Understanding for Improved Performance Enhancing SSIO Understanding and Automation through Monitoring Enhancing SSIO through Monitoring and Automation In my head in the above, in the word “performance” I am including all aspects of performance including usability and reliability. I think the Data Management/Hierarchy section is good. Thanks! Kathryn From: ssio-2018 <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> On Behalf Of Ward, Lee via ssio-2018 Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 3:22 PM To: Carns, Philip H. <carns(a)mcs.anl.gov>; Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov>; Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018 <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think Thanks. Right. Those were my instructions to you all. We would use the first half for section title to describe the broad section and you, each, would write text that addressed the “through…” part, drawing on the workshop report. You did that. You did it well, I thought. It doesn’t seem awkward to me but, then, I have weird sensibilities so I can’t lightly dismiss your suggestion. There is versioning, so, if you would like to wrestle my edit of your section into something you feel more closely addresses the title and I like it, I might be inspired to change the other 3 similarly. I might also revert the changes, though, if I don’t – No promises! Pretty please don’t make the boxes overflow into the next page, though? It literally took me hours to cut it down to that page. Thanks! --Lee From: "Carns, Philip H." <carns(a)mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 11:56 AM To: "Ross, Robert B." <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>>, "Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>>, Lee Ward <lee(a)sandia.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think The text that can trace any lineage to me looks nice. One minor quibble on the section headings, though. The shortening of "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience through monitoring, prediction, and automation" down to "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience" ... might be a mismatch for the text in that section. The text itself there is more focused on the 2nd half of the old heading (what can monitoring, prediction, and automation do to help) than the 1st half (the broad objectives). The first 1st half that was retained sounds like a title for a whole report 🙂 I understand we can't fit the old heading, but maybe there is a different condensed version that narrows the scope of that section a little more towards the measuring/modeling/automation aspect? thanks! -Phil ________________________________ From: ssio-2018 <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Ward, Lee via ssio-2018 <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:39 AM To: Ross, Robert B.; Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018 Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think All, FYI. I compressed your very elegant writing in the four sections of the (rebooted) brochure. Maybe take a look at it and make sure I didn't mangle your meaning past the point of utility? Thanks. --Lee On 5/2/19, 7:58 AM, "ssio-2018 on behalf of Ross, Robert B. via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov on behalf of ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]%20on%20behalf%20of%[email protected]>> wrote: Definitely cancel this week, have a nice day! -- Rob > On May 1, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I believe that Laura is out this week, that our report is sitting in the holding pen for a bit, and that I owe some text for the brochure. I'm unlikely to have that text done by tomorrow -- lots of non-work distractions this week -- but will do my best to get something together near the end of the week. > > In the mean time, I think we can skip this week's call unless I hear an objection. > > Rob _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018 _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018

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Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think
by Mohror, Kathryn 03 May '19

03 May '19

I agree with Phil here on the title for the “understanding” section. What about something like: Enhancing SSIO Performance through Improved Understanding Enhancing SSIO Understanding for Improved Performance Enhancing SSIO Understanding and Automation through Monitoring Enhancing SSIO through Monitoring and Automation In my head in the above, in the word “performance” I am including all aspects of performance including usability and reliability. I think the Data Management/Hierarchy section is good. Thanks! Kathryn From: ssio-2018 <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> On Behalf Of Ward, Lee via ssio-2018 Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 3:22 PM To: Carns, Philip H. <carns(a)mcs.anl.gov>; Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov>; Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018 <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think Thanks. Right. Those were my instructions to you all. We would use the first half for section title to describe the broad section and you, each, would write text that addressed the “through…” part, drawing on the workshop report. You did that. You did it well, I thought. It doesn’t seem awkward to me but, then, I have weird sensibilities so I can’t lightly dismiss your suggestion. There is versioning, so, if you would like to wrestle my edit of your section into something you feel more closely addresses the title and I like it, I might be inspired to change the other 3 similarly. I might also revert the changes, though, if I don’t – No promises! Pretty please don’t make the boxes overflow into the next page, though? It literally took me hours to cut it down to that page. Thanks! --Lee From: "Carns, Philip H." <carns(a)mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 11:56 AM To: "Ross, Robert B." <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>>, "Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>>, Lee Ward <lee(a)sandia.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think The text that can trace any lineage to me looks nice. One minor quibble on the section headings, though. The shortening of "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience through monitoring, prediction, and automation" down to "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience" ... might be a mismatch for the text in that section. The text itself there is more focused on the 2nd half of the old heading (what can monitoring, prediction, and automation do to help) than the 1st half (the broad objectives). The first 1st half that was retained sounds like a title for a whole report 🙂 I understand we can't fit the old heading, but maybe there is a different condensed version that narrows the scope of that section a little more towards the measuring/modeling/automation aspect? thanks! -Phil ________________________________ From: ssio-2018 <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Ward, Lee via ssio-2018 <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:39 AM To: Ross, Robert B.; Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018 Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think All, FYI. I compressed your very elegant writing in the four sections of the (rebooted) brochure. Maybe take a look at it and make sure I didn't mangle your meaning past the point of utility? Thanks. --Lee On 5/2/19, 7:58 AM, "ssio-2018 on behalf of Ross, Robert B. via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov on behalf of ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]%20on%20behalf%20of%[email protected]>> wrote: Definitely cancel this week, have a nice day! -- Rob > On May 1, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: > > I believe that Laura is out this week, that our report is sitting in the holding pen for a bit, and that I owe some text for the brochure. I'm unlikely to have that text done by tomorrow -- lots of non-work distractions this week -- but will do my best to get something together near the end of the week. > > In the mean time, I think we can skip this week's call unless I hear an objection. > > Rob _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018 _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018

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Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think
by Ward, Lee 02 May '19

02 May '19

Thanks. Right. Those were my instructions to you all. We would use the first half for section title to describe the broad section and you, each, would write text that addressed the “through…” part, drawing on the workshop report. You did that. You did it well, I thought. It doesn’t seem awkward to me but, then, I have weird sensibilities so I can’t lightly dismiss your suggestion. There is versioning, so, if you would like to wrestle my edit of your section into something you feel more closely addresses the title and I like it, I might be inspired to change the other 3 similarly. I might also revert the changes, though, if I don’t – No promises! Pretty please don’t make the boxes overflow into the next page, though? It literally took me hours to cut it down to that page. Thanks! --Lee From: "Carns, Philip H." <carns(a)mcs.anl.gov> Date: Thursday, May 2, 2019 at 11:56 AM To: "Ross, Robert B." <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov>, "Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov>, Lee Ward <lee(a)sandia.gov> Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think The text that can trace any lineage to me looks nice. One minor quibble on the section headings, though. The shortening of "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience through monitoring, prediction, and automation" down to "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience" ... might be a mismatch for the text in that section. The text itself there is more focused on the 2nd half of the old heading (what can monitoring, prediction, and automation do to help) than the 1st half (the broad objectives). The first 1st half that was retained sounds like a title for a whole report 🙂 I understand we can't fit the old heading, but maybe there is a different condensed version that narrows the scope of that section a little more towards the measuring/modeling/automation aspect? thanks! -Phil ________________________________ From: ssio-2018 <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> on behalf of Ward, Lee via ssio-2018 <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:39 AM To: Ross, Robert B.; Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018 Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think All, FYI. I compressed your very elegant writing in the four sections of the (rebooted) brochure. Maybe take a look at it and make sure I didn't mangle your meaning past the point of utility? Thanks. --Lee On 5/2/19, 7:58 AM, "ssio-2018 on behalf of Ross, Robert B. via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov on behalf of ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> wrote: Definitely cancel this week, have a nice day! -- Rob > On May 1, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > > I believe that Laura is out this week, that our report is sitting in the holding pen for a bit, and that I owe some text for the brochure. I'm unlikely to have that text done by tomorrow -- lots of non-work distractions this week -- but will do my best to get something together near the end of the week. > > In the mean time, I think we can skip this week's call unless I hear an objection. > > Rob _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018 _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018

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Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think
by Carns, Philip H. 02 May '19

02 May '19

The text that can trace any lineage to me looks nice. One minor quibble on the section headings, though. The shortening of "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience through monitoring, prediction, and automation" down to "Enhancing SSIO usability, performance, and resilience" ... might be a mismatch for the text in that section. The text itself there is more focused on the 2nd half of the old heading (what can monitoring, prediction, and automation do to help) than the 1st half (the broad objectives). The first 1st half that was retained sounds like a title for a whole report 🙂 I understand we can't fit the old heading, but maybe there is a different condensed version that narrows the scope of that section a little more towards the measuring/modeling/automation aspect? thanks! -Phil ________________________________ From: ssio-2018 <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> on behalf of Ward, Lee via ssio-2018 <ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2019 10:39 AM To: Ross, Robert B.; Settlemyer, Bradley Wade via ssio-2018 Subject: Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think All, FYI. I compressed your very elegant writing in the four sections of the (rebooted) brochure. Maybe take a look at it and make sure I didn't mangle your meaning past the point of utility? Thanks. --Lee On 5/2/19, 7:58 AM, "ssio-2018 on behalf of Ross, Robert B. via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov on behalf of ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> wrote: Definitely cancel this week, have a nice day! -- Rob > On May 1, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > > I believe that Laura is out this week, that our report is sitting in the holding pen for a bit, and that I owe some text for the brochure. I'm unlikely to have that text done by tomorrow -- lots of non-work distractions this week -- but will do my best to get something together near the end of the week. > > In the mean time, I think we can skip this week's call unless I hear an objection. > > Rob _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018 _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018

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Re: [Ssio-2018] [EXTERNAL] Re: cancel call this week, I think
by Ward, Lee 02 May '19

02 May '19

All, FYI. I compressed your very elegant writing in the four sections of the (rebooted) brochure. Maybe take a look at it and make sure I didn't mangle your meaning past the point of utility? Thanks. --Lee On 5/2/19, 7:58 AM, "ssio-2018 on behalf of Ross, Robert B. via ssio-2018" <ssio-2018-bounces(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov on behalf of ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov> wrote: Definitely cancel this week, have a nice day! -- Rob > On May 1, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > > I believe that Laura is out this week, that our report is sitting in the holding pen for a bit, and that I owe some text for the brochure. I'm unlikely to have that text done by tomorrow -- lots of non-work distractions this week -- but will do my best to get something together near the end of the week. > > In the mean time, I think we can skip this week's call unless I hear an objection. > > Rob _______________________________________________ ssio-2018 mailing list ssio-2018(a)lists.mcs.anl.gov https://lists.mcs.anl.gov/mailman/listinfo/ssio-2018

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Re: [Ssio-2018] cancel call this week, I think
by Ross, Robert B. 02 May '19

02 May '19

Definitely cancel this week, have a nice day! -- Rob > On May 1, 2019, at 10:06 AM, Ross, Robert B. <rross(a)mcs.anl.gov> wrote: > > I believe that Laura is out this week, that our report is sitting in the holding pen for a bit, and that I owe some text for the brochure. I'm unlikely to have that text done by tomorrow -- lots of non-work distractions this week -- but will do my best to get something together near the end of the week. > > In the mean time, I think we can skip this week's call unless I hear an objection. > > Rob

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cancel call this week, I think
by Ross, Robert B. 01 May '19

01 May '19

I believe that Laura is out this week, that our report is sitting in the holding pen for a bit, and that I owe some text for the brochure. I'm unlikely to have that text done by tomorrow -- lots of non-work distractions this week -- but will do my best to get something together near the end of the week. In the mean time, I think we can skip this week's call unless I hear an objection. Rob

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