HI Tony, Responses interweaved below: -- Howard Pritchard HPC-DES Los Alamos National Laboratory From: <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Dan Holmes <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Reply-To: MPI Sessions working group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Date: Friday, January 27, 2017 at 7:07 AM To: MPI Sessions working group <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Subject: Re: [mpiwg-sessions] MPI sessions and MPI T Hi Howard, Thanks - that looks like a manageably short list. Here’s my initial thoughts. 1) terminology: I’m torn on this - it wouldn’t be the first naming clash in MPI (e.g. MPI_WAIT vs MPI_WIN_WAIT) but that’s no excuse to add another. The name MPI Sessions has achieved some useful brand awareness, which we shouldn’t give up lightly. 2a) For MPI_T_CVAR_GET_INFO, I’m not seeing the conflict. The parameters are {int,string,int,int,MPI_Datatype,} so there is nowhere to pass MPI_COMM_WORLD *as a communicator, i.e. MPI_COMM*. Of course, MCW is a link-time constant handle, so its value can be used pretty much anywhere with suitable casting. I would not expect int george = (int)MPI_COMM_WORLD; to need the communicator represented by the symbol to exist. You’re correct about MPI_T_CVAR_GET_INFO. I overlooked the table 14.2 in section 14.3.2 that describes values returned in the bind out argument. We’ll need to extend this table to include a session handle type. 2b) For MPI_T_CVAR_HANDLE_ALLOC, I like your option of a “not now” error. Alternatively, see (3b) below. 3a) For MPI_T_PVAR_GET_INFO, I’m not seeing the conflict (as for CVAR in (2a) above). Agreed same as above in my response. 3b) For MPI_T_PVAR_HANDLE_ALLOC, would it be possible to attach the pvar to a skeleton mcw and always return dummy/default values (e.g. all counters would stick at zero) when queried? How much of mcw would need to exist (my assumption - none of it)? If some future action causes MCW to be created properly, i.e. MPI_INIT is called, then the pvar would be attached to it during that creation and start giving non-dummy/default answers. This change could be made irrespective of MPI Sessions. MPI_T_INIT(); MPI_T_PVAR_HANDLE_ALLOC(…MCW…); MPI_INIT(); // MCW already has PVAR attached This sounds like a reasonable approach to me. 4) We should allow the session handle to be passed as the obj_handle so that CVARs and PVARs can be attached to MPI Sessions. Yep, at a minimum we should extend the table 14.2 Cheers, Dan. On 27 Jan 2017, at 00:17, Pritchard Jr., Howard <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: Hi Folks, I finally got around to a to-do item for the MPI sessions WG. I’d said I’d look through the MPI_T portion of the tools chapter of the standard and see what consequences the MPI Sessions concept would have on that section. I came up with the following short list: * terminology collision. For performance variables, there is an MPI_T_pvar_session construct. However, it seems to me this is sufficiently distinct from what we’re proposing for sessions that there should not be an issue. * MPI_T_CVAR_GET_INFO and MPI_T_CVAR_HANDLE_ALLOC. These have a handle to a MPI object argument. It is legal to pass MPI COMM WORLD/COMM SELF in as the argument. So we’d need to figure out how to handle these cases in the context of an application that doesn’t explicitly call MPI_INIT or one of the other MPI functions that, according to our proposal, has the side effect of creating MPI_COMM_WORLD/SELF. One option might be to return MPI_ T_ ERR_ CVAR_ SET_ NOT_ NOW error code. * A similar problem exists for MPI_T_PVAR_GET_INFO and MPI_T_PVAR_HANDLE_ALLOC. Curiously, there is no analogous MPI_T_ERR_PVAR_SET_NOT_NOW error code. That’s what I came up with for first order items that would be impacted by Sessions, beyond minor languages changes in the text to indicate, for instance, that a Session handle could be passed to MPI_T_CVAR_HANDLE_ALLOC, etc. Howard -- Howard Pritchard HPC-DES Los Alamos National Laboratory _______________________________________________ mpiwg-sessions mailing list [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> https://lists.mpi-forum.org/mailman/listinfo/mpiwg-sessions