Hi all,

I made some comments on the GitHub issue for side documents (#562) that capture some feedback from the virtual meeting today.

https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/562#issuecomment-1284287447

Best wishes,

Dan.

From: mpiwg-languages <mpiwg-languages-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org> On Behalf Of Holmes, Daniel John via mpiwg-languages
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Subject: Re: [mpiwg-languages] MPI Languages WG

HI Martin,

Should we search for a different/better time & day for these Languages WG meetings?

Also, I pruned the cc list to remove subscribers to the WG’s email list. How many non-subscribers (those in cc for this email) want to receive these emails?

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Some of the discussion on side documents was captured by Wes in a summary comment on Issue 562:

https://github.com/mpi-forum/mpi-issues/issues/562#issuecomment-1263956090

Based on the discussion on 2022-09-30:

• We need to unify and better specify the terminology on these documents between the website, procedures document, and this proposal.
• It sounds like this is proposing having at least three categories of documents:
• Normative side-documents (e.g., new language documents, MQD?, MPIR?)
• Non-normative side-documents (e.g., exploratory features)
• Organizational side-documents (e.g. JOD, instructions for preparing the doc)
• This proposal will need to include changes to the procedures that define any new categories.
We may also need to include (either with this proposal or very soon afterward) changes to the existing documents to make them compatible with the new definitions.

Additional notes:

· The Languages WG wants to add normative side-documents containing optional bindings for additional languages (e.g. C++, Python, …)

· The HACC WG wants to add normative side-documents containing optional bindings for language extensions (e.g. CUDA, SYCL, …)

· The HACC WG wants to add (non-)normative side-documents containing experimental features (e.g. continuations, streams/queues, …)

· The JOD was excised from the MPI-4.x branch (after the MPI-4.0 release) by the document editor; adding it back in might be A Bad Thing ™

· Changes to all existing (companion/associated/side-)documents to make them conform is (significant?) scope-creep.

Best wishes,

Dan.

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From: mpiwg-languages <mpiwg-languages-bounces@lists.mpi-forum.org> On Behalf Of Ruefenacht, Martin
Sent: 10 October 2022 07:50
To: mpiwg-languages@lists.mpi-forum.org; Skjellum, Anthony; Klemm, Michael; Dan Holmes; Elis, Bengisu; Alfredo Correa
Cc: jeff.science@gmail.com; Ghosh, Sayan; andrew.lumsdaine; dalcinl@gmail.com; Eijkhout, Victor; schuchart@icl.utk.edu; alfredo.correa@gmail.com; Schafer, Derek; Suggs, Evan
Subject: [mpiwg-languages] Canceled: MPI Languages WG
When: 13 October 2022 15:00-16:00 (UTC+01:00) Belgrade, Bratislava, Budapest, Ljubljana, Prague.
Where: https://tum-conf.zoom.us/j/62174408327

Hello all,

Apologies I need to cancel this meeting. I know there was interesting discussion about the presentation topic that Daniel Holmes presented.

If you want me to keep the slot going let me know so that a discussion can be had.

Cheers,

Martin

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