You’re going to have to mention C++. You can’t just pretend that C++ supports C11 generic, because it explicitly doesn’t. And you really should do this because it’s ridiculous not to use C++ polymorphism if we use C11’s. Jeff

On Jul 31, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Jeff Squyres (jsquyres) via mpi-forum <[email protected]> wrote:

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On Jul 31, 2019, at 4:31 AM, Joseph Schuchart via mpi-forum <[email protected]> wrote:

Should we mark in the interface the fact that the MPI_Count overloads are only available in C11? I'm thinking about something similar to cppreference's distinction between C/C++ standard versions, e.g.,

``` int MPI_Send(const void *buf, MPI_Count count, MPI_Datatype datatype, int dest, int tag, MPI_Comm comm) [>C11|C++] ```

These are exactly the kind of discussions that I'd like to have before the September meeting: what is the best way to render the output to convey the information in an aesthetic way? I'm terrible at this kind of stuff.

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That being said, I would not want to mark anything as "C++", because the MPI spec does not explicitly support C++ at all. The text that will support this ticket will only have an Advice to Implementors for those implementations who want to continue to have an <mpi.h> that supports both C and C++. Per feedback we got in the Virtual Meeting last week, the advice is to *not* use C++ polymorphism, and, instead, treat C++ as a complier that does not support C11 _Generic (i.e., the MPI_Count-enabled version of MPI_Foo() will simply not be available -- see Froozle).

The rationale here is that if an implementation supports C++ polymorphism, there are three options:

1. The standard needs to make official statements about C++, which basically re-introduces formal C++ support in the MPI spec (which is a Big Deal) 2. PMPI-enabled tools will need to support non-standard C++ polymorphism in order to guarantee that they can intercept all MPI APIs when the application is written in C++ 3. PMPI-enabled tools do not support intercepting all MPI APIs when the application is written in C++

None of those 3 options are attractive.

-- Jeff Squyres [email protected]

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