> Date: Thu, 8 Sep 2011 10:30:16 -0400
> From: jhammond@alcf.anl.gov
> To: mpi-forum@lists.mpi-forum.org
> Subject: Re: [Mpi-forum] Oct 24-26, 2011 meeting in Chicago
>
> I am the chair of SAAHPC next year so I am aware of the logistical
> issues of hosting an event. The administrative cost in FTE hours is
> likely less than what you, Darius and I will lose from the commute
> that day.
>
> There is sufficient lead time in this case to process all of the
> foreign nationals who are not already in our system. For example,
> anyone from the Forum who has visited Argonne recently and/or has a
> BGP account (e.g. Torsten) would already have a 593 on file and thus
> be equivalent to a US citizen in terms of administrative overhead.
>
> Bill's argument about public transit is probably the death blow to my
> dream of driving 5 minutes to the Forum meeting.
>
> I can discuss administrative overhead with ALCF and see if we can do
> this in the future if outside attendees are at all interested.
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:14 AM, Dave Goodell <goodell@mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
> > Jeff, we've tried multiple times to arrange the Forum here at Argonne, but it's much more complicated than you might think.  A combination of DOE meeting policies, ANL "public meeting in TCS" policies, and other cost issues actually makes it very difficult to hold the meeting at Argonne without supplying a significant amount of work on the ANL side to handle badging foreign nationals.
> >
> > Add to this the apparent preference of most non-Chicagoland attendees for a downtown meeting (see Bronis' email) and it becomes even more difficult to schedule a meeting here.
> >
> > I'd be happy to discuss it further with you offline, but I would recommend not advocating for an ANL meeting until you are certain that you have at least sorted out all of the ANL-side issues.
> >
> > -Dave
> >
> > On Sep 8, 2011, at 8:59 AM CDT, Jeff Hammond wrote:
> >
> >> Very true.  I was working under the assumption that people would check
> >> out in the morning, go to Argonne (reverse commute is fast) and leave
> >> directly from Argonne to the hotel.  The total distance is greater but
> >> it is logistically simpler than walking, taxiing, etc. to some new
> >> location, is it not?
> >>
> >> The Argonne is zero cost for the space, which may be an advantage
> >> relative to other sites, such as at one of the hotels.
> >>
> >> I agree that my idea is far-fetched, but I live 3 miles from Argonne.
> >> I am pretty sure Dave and Darius will be much happier as well.
> >>
> >> Jeff
> >>
> >> On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:49 AM, Bronis R. de Supinski <bronis@llnl.gov> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> However Argonne is much further from the hotel and not as easily
> >>> served by public transportation to O'Hare. It would involve much
> >>> more challenging logistics for most attendees.
> >>>
> >>> On Thu, 8 Sep 2011, Jeff Hammond wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> AON center to O'Hare is 19.3 miles, whereas it is only 7 more from
> >>>> Argonne, but with 90/94 traffic, Argonne is arguable closer to ORD in
> >>>> space-time on a Wednesday afternoon.  Traffic definitely favors going
> >>>> to MDW from the west in the afternoon.
> >>>>
> >>>> Jeff
> >>>>
> >>>> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 10:05 PM, Graham, Richard L. <rlgraham@ornl.gov>
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>> The hotel information for the Oct meeting in Chicago is now posted, and
> >>>>> can
> >>>>> be accessed from the meeting logistics page
> >>>>> (http://meetings.mpi-forum.org/Meeting_details.php).  Please note that
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> cutoff date for the group rate is Oct the 3rd.   The first two days of
> >>>>> the
> >>>>> meeting will take place at the usual Microsoft location in down town, but
> >>>>> the location of the final day is still being worked out.  We expect this
> >>>>> will be down town, close to the meeting hotel.  The registration page is
> >>>>> still several days away from being ready.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Rich
> >>>>>
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> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Jeff Hammond
> >>>> Argonne Leadership Computing Facility
> >>>> University of Chicago Computation Institute
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