On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 8:21 PM, Annette Greiner <
amgreiner@lbl.gov> wrote:
> whoops, sorry, that was Bob that suggested we start with the
kbase.us look.
> I should have said I agree with Bob on that.
> -Annette
>
> On Nov 19, 2012, at 7:13 PM, Daniel Gunter wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> If the UI team were to work up a "template" that gave in CSS and some
> description what a consistent look-and-feel would involve... by when would
> that be needed for it to be useful? (Note: "yesterday" is not an acceptable
> answer :-)
>
> -Dan
>
> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 3:30 PM, Robert Olson <
olson@mcs.anl.gov> wrote:
>>
>> Seems we have an initial cut at the look and feel on the current
kbase.us
>> and that the active tools should match that look so there is a smooth
>> transition from the static website to the live tools.
>>
>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 4:27 PM, Adam Arkin wrote:
>>
>> > Good conversation, all. Hm... I do think we need a plan/policy for how
>> > UI or at least skinning for KBase Labs/etc. for February and I don't
>> > think we have an institutional plan for doing that yet.
>> >
>> > Nomi, Annette, Jim-- do you feel comfortable pushing out the
>> > JQueryUI/Smoothness choice to the group for stage 1 demos? Does anyone
>> > object to this technology/CSS for the near term (capuccino aside)?
>> >
>> > We have a serious decision to make here-- will domains go with a KBase
>> > Labs approach to their demos where canned pages, widgets, etc are
>> > deployed that show basic capability and a few useful packaged
>> > functions-- or will we try some sort of integrated pre-beta version of
>> > Narrative? The latter seems a slim chance unless Jim tells me
>> > otherwise. If we go with the former-- do we still need to spec look
>> > and feel and basic scope for the created pages/apps?
>> >
>> > Third-- I am happy to foot the bill for graphic design if we can
>> > identify a scope of work and a small team to advise them.
>> >
>> > Adam
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 1:19 PM, Christopher Henry
>> > <
chrisshenry@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> I don't really think it's "early". Shouldn't this have been the first
>> >> thing we did?
>> >>
>> >> I understand that the UI team isn't planning to produce anything for
>> >> the February demo, but that doesn't mean we won't have a UI by the demo.
>> >> We've had to bootstrap up temporary UIs ourselves, because we do need to
>> >> have a UI at the demo, and a lot of people are going to see that UI. Like it
>> >> or not, that's going to set the look and feel of KBase to a certain extent…
>> >> Lots of users are going to see and start using the demo system. This is one
>> >> reason why I really wanted to encourage UI people to try and produce
>> >> *something* by the demo even if it's not the final product… not sure if
>> >> that's in the plan at the moment.
>> >>
>> >> If there's some way we can come to some decisions now to frame and
>> >> standardize the look and feel of our UIs…. that will help the KBase demo
>> >> have a common look and feel, and it will prevent us from completely jarring
>> >> our fledgling user community with the first UI team prototypes start to
>> >> emerge.
>> >>
>> >> -Chris
>> >>
>> >> On Nov 19, 2012, at 3:04 PM, Annette Greiner <
amgreiner@lbl.gov> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>> The UI team has not been planning on going to the build, because we
>> >>> were told that the work was going to focus on code development and we should
>> >>> let the developers do that work. If there were discussion of the look and
>> >>> feel of the site, we would of course want to be involved.
>> >>>
>> >>> It's a little early to worry about the graphics (the look) for the
>> >>> narrative UI, though we could certainly start thinking about it. The UI
>> >>> design team has been focusing on the interaction design (the feel) thus far.
>> >>> For the look, we are recommending JQuery smoothness as a temporary, neutral
>> >>> theme so that we can show and test the feel without influence from the look.
>> >>> I would recommend that KBase use a professional graphic designer for
>> >>> developing the final graphic identity. Maybe someone with purse
>> >>> strings--Adam?--can clarify what the plan is in that regard.
>> >>>
>> >>> -Annette
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 12:04 PM, Thomason, James wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>> At least some of that stuff is already going ahead, or is being
>> >>>> worked on in sub-groups already.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I've been building the narrative in JqueryUI, for example. The UIx
>> >>>> team is defining a lot more of the look-and-feel side of things (e.g., the
>> >>>> recommendation is to use the smoothness jqueryui theme). They're also
>> >>>> gathering feedback from the users and are planning on getting more, as I get
>> >>>> useable stuff churned out. So a lot of the look-and-feel will end up
>> >>>> evolving over time.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> For a CSS doc, if we don't end up using a standard jqui theme, then a
>> >>>> custom one through there will define most of the styles anyway.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> At the moment, at least, if you're building in jqueryui and using the
>> >>>> smoothness theme, then you're close to the overall look and feel of where
>> >>>> the narrative is.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I'm not opposed to a side-table, but it might end up being more of a
>> >>>> show-and-share from the UI subgroups than a free-for-all to define stuff. Or
>> >>>> maybe there's lots of stuff that can be defined. I can say that I'm very
>> >>>> strongly in favor of jqueryui, but don't really care what fonts or colors we
>> >>>> end up with, for example.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Nov 19, 2012, at 1:50 PM, Scott Devoid
>> >>>> <
devoid@ci.uchicago.edu<mailto:
devoid@ci.uchicago.edu>>
>> >>>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> There was discussion during today's microbe's call about holding a
>> >>>> brief side-table during the build week to go over the web-UI look and feel.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> The goal of this side-table would be to define an initial "graphic
>> >>>> identity" for the KBase web UI. At the very least this would include choice
>> >>>> of fonts, color palette, use of the logo.
>> >>>> Hopefully we can also come to agreement on a basic UI look (e.g.
>> >>>> Twitter Bootstrap or jQuery UI) and then codify things in a standard CSS
>> >>>> document. This shouldn't take more than an hour.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Does this sound like a good idea? Who would be interested in
>> >>>> participating (particularly those who are not coming to Chicago for the
>> >>>> build week)?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Example of basic graphic identity statements:
>> >>>>
http://identity.uchicago.edu/
>> >>>>
http://mit.edu/graphicidentity/
>> >>>>
http://www.identity.ucla.edu/
>> >>>>
>> >>>> ~ Scott
>> >>>>
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